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House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

Thats not what you were arguing. You took a ridiculous poll taken ONLINE and think it applies to reality.

If your goal was to say some people have waked out ideas just stick with that.

Sourcing this would be like sourcing the onion for hard hitting news.

It's clear from your post that you have no idea what I was arguing.
 
Obviously not practical, but we on both sides need to speak out against the nuts more often, and more completely. No "I don't like this, but...", or "but you guys did it too", just "this is wrong, the end". Some one shooting at a congressman's office is wrong, end of story. I don't care why, I don't care his motivation, none of that matters.

Here's the issue I have with this and its for both sides and its also what I meant by baiting...

When someone goes "Some individuals at the recent War Protest were holding up signs calling for Bush's death. What do you think of this?" then yes, give the straight answer without butts.

If someone instead goes "What are you thoughts of War Protestors calling for the death of George Bush and our Troops, echoing the thoughts of John Kerry that our troops are terrorists?" At that point, they can't just go "Those signs are wrong" and leave it there because the person has essentially baited them into either having to add a "...but" to deal with the other portions that are questionable OR to say nothing and then run it as if the person couldn't put up any defense and thus agreed with your assertion.

Similarly, if someone goes "What do you think about someone cutting the gas line at a congressman's brothers house" should illicit a "that's horrible" type of response. However if it is "What is you opinion on the shouted slurs and the gas line being cut that is suggested to have been spurred by the Tea Party movement and people like Sarah Palin?" then again, suddenly, they're put in a baited situation.

I think the "...but" aspect of this whole situation is as much the fault of those often asking/reporting the questions as those responding sadly.
 
Are you being sarcastic, to make a point? Because the chances of that are incredibly slim. Someone could easily just walk by his office to see if he was telling the truth, and if he wasn't, that fact would get out immediately and discredit him.

No, I am referring to another thread where Harry Guerrilla and others insisted that we can't trust reports that congressmen were spit on etc. by tea partiers because there was no video showing the act.
 
Rep. Cantor: Shots Fired at Richmond Office

RICHMOND | WASHINGTON, D.C. - Republican congressman Eric Cantor said Thursday that not only Democrats have been the recent victim of threatening e-mails and gunshots: he said shots were fired into his Richmond campaign office.

Cantor said the gunshots happened this week and he does not have plans to make the e-mails public because he thinks that will only incite more to be sent. He says threatening e-mails should be investigated by law enforcement and believes it's reckless to publish them for "media gain."

Cantor's remarks come a day after the FBI and local police departments say at least 10 Democratic members of Congress were targeted following Sunday's health care reform vote

Yup, Republicans are not the only ones caught up in mob mentality. Looks like there are Democrats caught up in it too. So, are these attacks instigated by the leaders of each respective party? No. These are acts committed by criminals, and face it. There are a few criminals on each side of the debate.

The question here is how do we ratchet down the rhetoric, so that acts like this are fewer, and so that we begin having intelligent dialogue on the subject of health care? This is going to be the topic of this thread.

WARNING: I am well aware that I have posted a thread on a very sensitive topic, so I am asking the mod team to monitor this thread, and to issue thread bans where appropriate. Let's keep this civil, folks. Thank you.

Article is here.
 
It's clear from your post that you have no idea what I was arguing.

What a comeback.

You just got caught citing a moronic source and pretending its real.

There are plenty of far right examples that are factual. Stick with those.
 
Re: Rep. Cantor: Shots Fired at Richmond Office

Yup, Republicans are not the only ones caught up in mob mentality. Looks like there are Democrats caught up in it too. So, are these attacks instigated by the leaders of each respective party? No. These are acts committed by criminals, and face it. There are a few criminals on each side of the debate.

The question here is how do we ratchet down the rhetoric, so that acts like this are fewer, and so that we begin having intelligent dialogue on the subject of health care? This is going to be the topic of this thread.

WARNING: I am well aware that I have posted a thread on a very sensitive topic, so I am asking the mod team to monitor this thread, and to issue thread bans where appropriate. Let's keep this civil, folks. Thank you.

Article is here.

Actions against any politician of this nature are unnacceptable. I would hope no one condones these actions against either side.
 
Here's the issue I have with this and its for both sides and its also what I meant by baiting...

When someone goes "Some individuals at the recent War Protest were holding up signs calling for Bush's death. What do you think of this?" then yes, give the straight answer without butts.

If someone instead goes "What are you thoughts of War Protestors calling for the death of George Bush and our Troops, echoing the thoughts of John Kerry that our troops are terrorists?" At that point, they can't just go "Those signs are wrong" and leave it there because the person has essentially baited them into either having to add a "...but" to deal with the other portions that are questionable OR to say nothing and then run it as if the person couldn't put up any defense and thus agreed with your assertion.
It then becomes necessary for the respondant to have the presence of mind to put the 'disclaimer' in front of the answer.

"I think that (x) have legitimate issues, such as (a,b,c), but I do believe that the actions of these few people goes too far".
 
Re: Rep. Cantor: Shots Fired at Richmond Office

Actions against any politician of this nature are unnacceptable. I would hope no one condones these actions against either side.

I haven't seen anyone condone anything. The only thing I've seen are responses like, "well, you people are crazier."

I think that's arguable. At this point, a percentage of both sides of the spectrum seem to have succumbed to some kind of derangement.
 
Here's the issue I have with this and its for both sides and its also what I meant by baiting...

When someone goes "Some individuals at the recent War Protest were holding up signs calling for Bush's death. What do you think of this?" then yes, give the straight answer without butts.

If someone instead goes "What are you thoughts of War Protestors calling for the death of George Bush and our Troops, echoing the thoughts of John Kerry that our troops are terrorists?" At that point, they can't just go "Those signs are wrong" and leave it there because the person has essentially baited them into either having to add a "...but" to deal with the other portions that are questionable OR to say nothing and then run it as if the person couldn't put up any defense and thus agreed with your assertion.

Similarly, if someone goes "What do you think about someone cutting the gas line at a congressman's brothers house" should illicit a "that's horrible" type of response. However if it is "What is you opinion on the shouted slurs and the gas line being cut that is suggested to have been spurred by the Tea Party movement and people like Sarah Palin?" then again, suddenly, they're put in a baited situation.

I think the "...but" aspect of this whole situation is as much the fault of those often asking/reporting the questions as those responding sadly.

I understand what you are saying, and again it does come back to the reasonable majority need to take back some control. When the baited quests get asked, we need to condemn it from our own. We have to stop turning a blind eye to every one who is trying to make politics about seeing who can be the bigger asshole.
 
I believe this is a phony attack.

I believe this single gun shot came from a Liberal who was trying to garner more support for the phony or exaggerated threats coming mostly from Democrats in an effort to draw attention away from the Socialist/Marxist moves they Dems are now pushing.

What better way to claim reality than to be able to say see these wacko Tea Party types are even going after the Jew.

We are under attack from the liberals and the media because they are going to take little isolated or even fake threats and blow them out of proportion to muddy the water and try to get everyone to back off the opposition to the PHONY Obama I don't give a damn about your Health plan.

I think Obama's minions are behind all of this BS and are using Alenskey style tactics distract us.

So far Obama has proven to be Anti-American in everything he does, and half of what he says if you can hear, or read.
 
I believe this is a phony attack.

I believe this single gun shot came from a Liberal who was trying to garner more support for the phony or exaggerated threats coming mostly from Democrats in an effort to draw attention away from the Socialist/Marxist moves they Dems are now pushing.

Okay, so the attacks on Dems were faked by liberals to make rightwing activists look bad, then the Cantor attacks were faked by liberals to back up the fake attacks on the Dems.

You need to make a chart for you conspiracy theories, they are hard to track. Where does Obama's birth certificate go?
 
I believe this is a phony attack.

I believe this single gun shot came from a Liberal who was trying to garner more support for the phony or exaggerated threats coming mostly from Democrats in an effort to draw attention away from the Socialist/Marxist moves they Dems are now pushing.

So, the Democrats attacked a republican to draw attention away from their socialist/marxist agenda...


There is something flawed in your reasoning, but I can't quite put my finger on it....
 
So, the Democrats attacked a republican to draw attention away from their socialist/marxist agenda...


There is something flawed in your reasoning, but I can't quite put my finger on it....

The flaw is calling it "reasoning."
 
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I understand what you are saying, and again it does come back to the reasonable majority need to take back some control. When the baited quests get asked, we need to condemn it from our own. We have to stop turning a blind eye to every one who is trying to make politics about seeing who can be the bigger asshole.

I will admit at some times I'm just not very good with this as well. Its not that I don't want to, but there's some on "my side" that I just can't even stand to read and give them Council, if you get what i'm saying man.
 
what was the policy of democrats towards anti-war protestors who threatned to kill bush, rove, cheney, and co.; or towards the "death of a president" movie that was nothing but an emotional sop to those who wished to assasinate Bush? what was the policy of congressional democrats towards the 9/11 truthers?
 
what was the policy of democrats towards anti-war protestors who threatned to kill bush, rove, cheney, and co.; or towards the "death of a president" movie that was nothing but an emotional sop to those who wished to assasinate Bush? what was the policy of congressional democrats towards the 9/11 truthers?

At least on this forum, I've seen many liberals be quite critical of these behaviors. What do you think the response of conservatives should be to this shooting and/or the brick-throwing incident?

Redress & Lerxst, for example, are both liberals AND veterans.
 
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