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Israel Approves New Building in East Jerusalem

If only because you lack the ability to understand.

This construction, as were all of the constructions in East Jerusalem in the last 43 years, was approved because Israel refers to the area as an Israeli land, annexed by Israel in 1967 and being Israeli ever since.

Building in Jerusalem in Israeli eyes is no different than building in Tel-Aviv, and it's not a new issue, and certainly this was not started by the current administration.

Your claim that the approval of 20 apartments in east Jerusalem means that Israel is not interested in peace is completely ignorant of the fact that Israel has been doing this for quite a long time, and is not intending to stop.

and this post vividly illustrates why israel does everything within its considerable means to avoid peace talks. talks, which if held, would necessarily have to address the disputed territories
israel's position is that it has stolen the land and has no intention of returning it to its rightful owners. it has no interest in proceeding into negotiations which would entail negotiation of the land boundaries of the disputed territories. the facts would be against israel in such negotiations
at a time when we are talking about dividing a pizza, Israel is eating it
 
and this post vividly illustrates why israel does everything within its considerable means to avoid peace talks. talks, which if held, would necessarily have to address the disputed territories
israel's position is that it has stolen the land and has no intention of returning it to its rightful owners. it has no interest in proceeding into negotiations which would entail negotiation of the land boundaries of the disputed territories. the facts would be against israel in such negotiations
at a time when we are talking about dividing a pizza, Israel is eating it
Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
That offer was refused.
 
Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
That offer was refused.

that's you spin on it anyway.

To deliberately announce new settlements in what the Palestinians wish to be their Capital at the very time of visit from the US and visits to the US is making your position clear on peace talks.

Justbubba could not have put it better. At a time when you should be talking about dividing the pizza, Israel is eating it.
 
Wrong again, Israel's position is that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital, and hence Israel can build at it just as it can build in any of its other cities.

Israel has offered in the past to give the Palestinians all of Jerusalem's Arab quarters.
That offer was refused.

thank you again for making my point
the disputed territories are subject to being lost by israel
so, it attaches a dubious claim to them, and builds on them in an effort to secure that claim
it avoids a negotiation over the valid ownership of the disputed territories

and for anyone who would dare believe apo's propaganda that israel is not displacing arab property owners to establish a footprint for its illicit settlements, then read on:
Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Israel evicts Palestinian families
 
that's you spin on it anyway.
No, that's reality.
To deliberately announce new settlements in what the Palestinians wish to be their Capital at the very time of visit from the US and visits to the US is making your position clear on peace talks.
Eli Yishai, the interior minister who has decided to approve the buildings in East Jerusalem during Biden's visit, has his own opinions.
The actions of one minister when opposed and condemned by the entire government, including Benjamin Netanyahu himself, cannot honestly represent the administration, and that you think so is one of the reasons why you're inherently wrong.
Justbubba could not have put it better.
If this is the best way your opinion comes across, then it is undoubtedly wrong.
At a time when you should be talking about dividing the pizza, Israel is eating it.
The reason why there are no talks on the pizza is because the Palestinians choose to boycott the talks, and get away with it.
 
i am hoping he will execute an executive order prohibiting any financial or military assistance to israel while any settlements are under construction within the disputed territories
Sure they should beat up on Israel over some housing while campaigning that they will sit down with the president of Iran without conditions. :roll:
 
an indication that there are israeli actions the USA does not condone, such as the settlements within the disputed territories

confirmation that the tail no longer wags the dog

an evenhandedness that has not been evident since the Carter administration

evidence to the Palestinian people and others watching that America's foreign policy is returning to one driven by sound principle




And then Isreal no longer has to listen to us when we say "Restraint".... etc...



I don't think we should be handing money to any other country, but there would be vast ramifications if you decided to "cut" isreal off as a threat.
 
Israel has every right to build in East Jerusalem. It's their city and their capitol. I'm all for it :mrgreen:
 
Israel has every right to build in East Jerusalem. It's their city and their capitol. I'm all for it :mrgreen:

I think you should read up on some history, Digsbe. The U.S. has NEVER acknowledged Israel's "right" to East Jerusalem.
 
i am hoping he will execute an executive order prohibiting any financial or military assistance to israel while any settlements are under construction within the disputed territories

Dude... its Israels land! You saying they cant build in their OWN land?????

These muslims have millions of square miles to build and live. The Jews????? ABout the size of Rhode Island. Screw the muslims man!
 
Dude... its Israels land! You saying they cant build in their OWN land?????

These muslims have millions of square miles to build and live. The Jews????? ABout the size of Rhode Island. Screw the muslims man!

East Jerusalem is NOT Israeli land. Israel has claimed it, but that claim has not been recognized by any Western nation.

Screw the idiots who don't know history!
 
East Jerusalem is NOT Israeli land. Israel has claimed it, but that claim has not been recognized by any Western nation.

Screw the idiots who don't know history!


Sorry Catz, but you are absolutely wrong on this point. Jerusalem is as declared and backed up by the US Congress in 1995 an undivided city, and needs to remain that way.

The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995[1] is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. It was passed for the purposes of initiating and funding the relocation of the United States Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, no later than May 31, 1999, and attempted to withhold 50 percent of the funds appropriated to the State Department specifically for ‘‘Acquisition and Maintenance of Buildings Abroad’’ as allocated in fiscal year 1999 until the United States Embassy in Jerusalem had officially opened.[2] The act also called for Jerusalem to remain an undivided city and for it to be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel. Israel officially recognizes Jerusalem as its capital; the foreign policy of the United States government officially does not. The proposed law was adopted by the Senate (93-5),[3] and the House (374-37).[4]

Jerusalem Embassy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It is only through the hypocrisy of the liberal left in this country that pays lip service in support of Israel, then turns as Obama did earlier in 2009 and gives aid in the form of billions of dollars to Palestinians trying to extinguish Israel, then feigns outrage when Israel builds!?

give me a break. Israel has every right to build in its own capitol city.


j-mac
 
East Jerusalem is NOT Israeli land. Israel has claimed it, but that claim has not been recognized by any Western nation.

Screw the idiots who don't know history!

So, the recognition of Western nations is the end all and be all of legality? Nice arrogance you have appropriated to the US and other western nations...
 
Sorry Catz, but you are absolutely wrong on this point. Jerusalem is as declared and backed up by the US Congress in 1995 an undivided city, and needs to remain that way.


Since June 28, 1967, East Jerusalem has been under the law, jurisdiction, and administration of the State of Israel.[13] The right of Israel to declare sovereignty over the entirety of Jerusalem is not recognized by the international community, which regarded the move as de facto annexation [14] and deemed Israeli jurisdiction invalid in a subsequent non-binding United Nations General Assembly resolution.[15] However in a reply to the resolution, Israel denied that these measures constitute annexation.[16]

In the 1980 Basic Law, or "Jerusalem Law" Israel declared Jerusalem "complete and united", to be "the capital of Israel". The new law left the bounds of Jerusalem unspecified.[17] In response, the UN Security Council unanimously adopted the non-binding Resolution 478 (the U.S. abstained), declaring the law to be "null and void" and a violation of international law. Nevertheless, in 1988, Jordan, while rejecting Israeli sovereignty over East Jerusalem, withdrew all its claims to the West Bank (including East Jerusalem).

The Israeli-Palestinian Declaration of Principles, signed September 13, 1993, deferred the settlement of the permanent status of Jerusalem to the final stages of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinian National Authority views the future permanent status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state.[18] The possibility of a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem was considered by Israel for the first time in the Taba Summit in 2001,[19] though these negotiations ended without an agreement and this possibility has not been considered by Israel since.

In a 1991 letter, United States Secretary of State James Baker stated that the United States is "opposed to the Israeli annexation of east Jerusalem and the extension of Israeli law on it and the extension of Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries".[20] However, the U.S. Senate in 1990 had adopted a resolution "acknowledging Jerusalem as Israel's capital" and stating that it "strongly believes that Jerusalem must remain an undivided city."[21] Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act on October 23, 1995, which declared that Jerusalem should remain undivided and that it should be recognized as Israel's capital.

Some international law experts, such as Julius Stone, have argued that Israel has sovereignty over East Jerusalem under international law, since Jordan did not have legal sovereignty over the territory, and thus Israel was entitled in an act of self-defense during the Six Day War to "fill the vacuum".[22]

It's a lot more complicated than you've implied, J-mac.
 
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So, the recognition of Western nations is the end all and be all of legality? Nice arrogance you have appropriated to the US and other western nations...

No offense, but the western nations CREATED ISRAEL in the first place. :roll:
 
Oh, really, Apoca. how did the nation of Israel come about?

As far as Israeli ownership of East Jerusalem:

Israel has occupied East Jerusalem since 1967. It annexed the area in 1981 and sees it as its exclusive domain.

This has not been recognised by the international community. Palestinians hope to establish the capital of their future state in the East Jerusalem.

All settlements are considered illegal under international law - although Israel disputes this.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | New Jerusalem settlement planned
 
Oh, really, Apoca. how did the nation of Israel come about?
The Zionist movement has been fighting diplomatically for the establishment of Israel since the ending of the 19th century.
In 1948, at a vote in the UN involving all of the states in the world(Western and non-Western), the Jewish right to self-determination was recognized, giving a green light to David Ben-Gurion, one of the leaders of the Zionist movement at the time, to announce the Israeli independence and the establishment of a Jewish state in the land of Israel.
 
Oh, really, Apoca. how did the nation of Israel come about?

Birth of Judaism and Israel 1400 BCE - 586 BCE
See also: History of ancient Israel and Judah

The Israelites are generally thought to have come into existence between 1400 and 1100 BCE, developing an independent kingdom around 1050 BCE. The bible describes constant warfare with the Philistines whose capital was Gaza and a single temple in Jerusalem. Around 950 BCE, the kingdom split into a southern Kingdom of Judah and a northern Kingdom of Israel.

Biblical and Assyrian records describe how the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser III around 720 BCE and its people sent into exile, becoming the Lost Tribes of Israel. The Samaritans claim to be descended from survivors of this destruction. The Philistine kingdom was also destroyed.

The Bible describes how a later Assyrian King, Sennacherib, tried and failed to conquer Judah (Assyrian records say he punished them and left). Assyria was eventually conquered by Babylon in 612 BCE.


Basic Research. Its whats for dinner.

History of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Birth of Judaism and Israel 1400 BCE - 586 BCE
See also: History of ancient Israel and Judah

The Israelites are generally thought to have come into existence between 1400 and 1100 BCE, developing an independent kingdom around 1050 BCE. The bible describes constant warfare with the Philistines whose capital was Gaza and a single temple in Jerusalem. Around 950 BCE, the kingdom split into a southern Kingdom of Judah and a northern Kingdom of Israel.

Biblical and Assyrian records describe how the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser III around 720 BCE and its people sent into exile, becoming the Lost Tribes of Israel. The Samaritans claim to be descended from survivors of this destruction. The Philistine kingdom was also destroyed.

The Bible describes how a later Assyrian King, Sennacherib, tried and failed to conquer Judah (Assyrian records say he punished them and left). Assyria was eventually conquered by Babylon in 612 BCE.


Basic Research. Its whats for dinner.

History of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Self-pwnage. Always the best kind.
 
Self-pwnage. Always the best kind.

Are you simply unaware of your own words?

Oh, really, Apoca. how did the nation of Israel come about?

What part of that don't you understand?
 
What part of that don't you understand?

We are discussing the MODERN nation of Israel. Prior to 1948, there had not been a nation of Israel for nearly 2000 years, as your source helpfully explains. ;)
 
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