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UK expels Israeli Diplomat

Apocalypse said:
No more than it was your intention to imply that 9/11 was an inside job and that you believe Osama bin Laden is motivated by just causes.
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What political reasons could possibly motivate the UK to cut off ties to Israel and expell a diplomat?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
What political reasons could possibly motivate the UK to cut off ties to Israel and expell a diplomat?
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The UK did not cut off its ties with Israel - where did you get that from?

And before you answer the above, I am still waiting for an answer as for when was I even suggesting that the British government's decision has something to do with antisemitism, as I personally was accused by you for promoting.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
What political reasons could possibly motivate the UK to cut off ties to Israel and expell a diplomat?
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UK hasn't 'cut ties' with anyone.
We have merely given Israel a slap on the wrist along with a warning not to do it again.

It would be interesting to observe how Israel would react if Ireland, France etc. all expelled a diplomat as well.
 
Laila said:
It would be interesting to observe how Israel would react if Ireland, France etc. all expelled a diplomat as well.
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The reaction would most likely be the same.

"The actions of _enter_nation_here_ are disappointing, but our ties with _enter_nation_here_ are important."
 
Apocalypse said:
The reaction would most likely be the same.

"The actions of _enter_nation_here_ are disappointing, but our ties with _enter_nation_here_ are important."
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Lol, yeah probably.

Israel has been getting it rough recently. I can almost feel sorry for the PM.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, it wasn't your intention to imply that this was an anti-Semitic political position designed to appeal to the far left?
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We heard on Channel 4 news last night that they were calling us 'antisemetic dogs' in Israel!
 
Apocalypse said:
I am still waiting for an answer as for when was I even suggesting that the British government's decision has something to do with antisemitism, as I personally was accused by you for promoting.
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Why would ejecting the Israeli ambassador appeal to "populist" voters?
 
alexa said:
We heard on Channel 4 news last night that they were calling us 'antisemetic dogs' in Israel!
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You're referring to two rightist Knesset members.
 
Laila said:
It would be interesting to observe how Israel would react if Ireland, France etc. all expelled a diplomat as well.
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I think it is very likely

ISRAEL is bracing itself for the possibility that Australia will follow Britain and expel an Israeli diplomat in response to the use of four forged Australian passports in the assassination of a Hamas commander.
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Israel expects Canberra to expel diplomat over forged passports used in murder | The Australian

It appears to have upset them much the same as us.

This seems to be from an Australian blog or community site but does reflect views I heard expressed on News 24 last night

The governments of Australia and the other nations whose citizens' identities were used - Britain, Ireland, France and Germany - have all issued strong diplomatic protests at the misappropriation, though without directly accusing Israel of responsibility for it. The diplomatic niceties were preserved in Foreign Minister Stephen Smith's judiciously phrased statement that ''If the results of that investigation [by ASIO and the Australian Federal Police] cause us to come to the conclusion that the abuse of Australian passports was sponsored or condoned by Israeli officials, then Australia would not regard that as the act of a friend''.

Nor should it. The question, however, is whether Israel recognises any obligation to comply with the legal and ethical standards prescribed by the international community for the use of travel documents, and whether, in the case of countries such as Australia, Israel is willing to reciprocate the loyal friendship and diplomatic support they have shown towards the Jewish state since its foundation. The insouciant attitude that Israel's government has adopted to the diplomatic row over the identity thefts suggests, on the contrary, that Israel regards itself as bound by no such obligations, and is constrained only by a need to defer to nations whose friendship is too important to alienate. It is noteworthy that no American passports were used in the Dubai operation.
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ontd_political: Assassination & Israel's role in passport fraud
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Why would ejecting the Israeli ambassador appeal to "populist" voters?
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I've explained it in another thread (There are like 3 identical threads on this issue scattered around this forum).

Here's the comment that explains why it is my opinion(as is Laila's, seeing the OP, and as many other people's opinions) that it is mainly a populist action:

Apocalypse said:
I don't even blame the British government for the action, as they didn't have much choice seeing the situation that they are at.
The absolute majority of the British public believes that Israel is behind the terrorist-chief's killing, and Gordon Brown's Labour party is doing bad in popularity.
Such a populist action is life-saving for them.
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Most of the British people believe it was Israel that has taken out the terrorist chief, and hence desire to see an action taken against Israel surrounding the issue.
 
Apocalypse said:
You're referring to two rightist Knesset members.
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Yes probably. I couldn't remember who exactly they said it was. I thought some members of the Government but not remembering thought it best just to say in Israel.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
What political reasons could possibly motivate the UK to expell a diplomat?
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What do you mean by "political reasons"?
Political agenda(interests), or political status(current status of the Labour party)?
 
Apocalypse said:
The UK did not cut off its ties with Israel - where did you get that from?
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Asked again, since it was dodged by Catz.
 
Apocalypse said:
Most of the British people believe it was Israel that has taken out the terrorist chief, and hence desire to see an action taken against Israel surrounding the issue.
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So you believe that this is a more likely reason than the expressed reason by British diplomats? I find that rather humorous.
 
alexa said:
Yes probably. I couldn't remember who exactly they said it was. I thought some members of the Government but not remembering thought it best just to say in Israel.
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Correction; I've just recalled that those two Knesset members are members of "Ha'Yihud Ha'Leumi", a far-right party, not a rightist party.
 
Apocalypse said:
Most of the British people believe it was Israel that has taken out the terrorist chief, and hence desire to see an action taken against Israel surrounding the issue.
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It so has nothing to do with that. It is to do with the integrity of our passports, the safety of our citizens and not being used.

When our government has to tell us to take care that officials in a country don't take our passports away, there is very little trust in the integrity of that country left.

But we have to do that. We have to protect the integrity of our passports, the safety of our citizens and our name.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So you believe that this is a more likely reason than the expressed reason by British diplomats? I find that rather humorous.
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I strongly believe that if the Labour party was not in its current popularity stance, the reaction would be quite softer.

I'm glad you find it humorous, but your baseless painting of my opinion as if I believe that the British government was motivated by antisemitic causes if far from being humorous, and is crossing every kind of line.
That was purely trolling, and you should know it yourself.
 
Apocalypse said:
Correction; I've just recalled that those two Knesset members are members of "Ha'Yihud Ha'Leumi", a far-right party, not a rightist party.
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well I really do not know who they are. I only know we were being told we were being called 'antisemetic dogs' It does not help to build good feeling.

Do you want to give fuller details of what they said and whether they were asked to mind their language as one member of our Parliament was yesterday when speaking about Israel but being far less rude?
 
alexa said:
It so has nothing to do with that. It is to do with the integrity of our passports, the safety of our citizens and not being used.

When our government has to tell us to take care that officials in a country don't take our passports away, there is very little trust in the integrity of that country left.

But we have to do that. We have to protect the integrity of our passports, the safety of our citizens and our name.
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That's why I do not blame the British government for the act.
They were pushed into this, they had to state that they see this as a severe situation, since the public has demanded that.
 
alexa said:
well I really do not know who they are. I only know we were being told we were being called 'antisemetic dogs' It does not help to build good feeling.
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Towards those who've called you so, yeah.
Do you want to give fuller details of what they said and whether they were asked to mind their language as one member of our Parliament was yesterday when speaking about Israel but being far less rude?
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They are members of the Parliament, not the government.
It should also be noted that their party's support from the public is way smaller than that of the BNP.

Rightist MKs: 'British are dogs, who are they to judge?' - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
Apocalypse said:
That's why I do not blame the British government for the act.
They were pushed into this, they had to state that they see this as a severe situation, since the public has demanded that.
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The point I am making is that they clearly have information that it is your officials who are stealing people's identity. How you can go from that to imagining that the UK government does not care about UK sovereignty is beyond me.
 
alexa said:
The point I am making is that they clearly have information that it is your officials who are stealing people's identity.
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They have supplied Israel with no such incriminating evidence.
 
How exactly would you know?
 
and you still have not dealt with the fact that you have done this before and given before your assurance this will never happen.

You seem to have no respect for International Protocol that you are so surprised that a country is angry at this and with respect to the UK you very definitely know we do take take this sort of action lightly.

Miliband said that he had handed his counterpart, Avigdor Lieberman, a letter seeking assurances that Israel would never again "misuse" British passports. Israel gave similar assurances following an incident in 1986.
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Britain expels Mossad agent over forged passport plot | Politics | The Guardian
 
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