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Bricks Shatter Glass at NY Democratic Offices

Catz Part Deux said:
Let's revisit how our government works. We aren't a straight democracy which operates on a majority/mob rule basis, but a representative democracy. That means that each district of the U.S. elects its own representation and those representatives enact the will of their constituents.
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I didn't bring up the polls, you did. People aren't angry for any reason but they feel violated by the government, and they are right. When some people get angry at being violated they lash out which happened in this case. You said a majority of people wanted this, I disagree, but either way it doesn't matter as we are a representative republic with a constitution that just got used as Democrat toilet paper.

The majority of the representatives, IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE, are currently democrats. Those democrats were elected LOCALLY, with the understanding in the heads of most of the voters, that they would do something about healthcare.
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That's your take on it? I thought it was because the Republican party spent too much, got bad press, had a scandal problem, and the Bush administration hangover. Most of those locally elected Democrats ran as moderates and conservatives, they misrepresented their positions(surprise surprise), and then showed their true colors the moment they were seated.

Thus, your premise is flawed. You are equating your personal opinions and polls with doing the work of the people. The fact remains that if the people didn't want healthcare reform, they've had clear choices in the last 2 or 3 elections in that regard. There was not a voter in 2008 who didn't realize that casting a vote for a democrat was casting a vote for healthcare reform.
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The democrats did not run on this bill, they ran on "anyone but Bush".

Sorry, teabaggers. You lost. Not only did you lose yesterday, but frankly, you lost 2 years ago. That was when the choice was made. Yesterday was a foregone conclusion when Democrats gained the majority in the house/senate and the presidency.
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America lost, and if you read the polls, America knows it.
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LaMidRighter said:
I didn't bring up the polls, you did. People aren't angry for any reason but they feel violated by the government, and they are right. When some people get angry at being violated they lash out which happened in this case. You said a majority of people wanted this, I disagree, but either way it doesn't matter as we are a representative republic with a constitution that just got used as Democrat toilet paper.
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Please stop with the hyperbole. This plan is considerably more conservative than Romney's plan from Massachusetts.

Obama's Moderate Health Care Plan | The New Republic

And, the poll numbers don't show a majority against this because it's too liberal.

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Those against it because it is too liberal only represent 35% of the population. 43% either support it or say it doesn't go far enough. 20% are undecided. You're spinning the poll numbers like a whirling dervish.

That's your take on it? I thought it was because the Republican party spent too much, got bad press, had a scandal problem, and the Bush administration hangover. Most of those locally elected Democrats ran as moderates and conservatives, they misrepresented their positions(surprise surprise), and then showed their true colors the moment they were seated.
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Did you know the following?

Obama's plan closely mirrors three proposals that have attracted the support of Republicans who reside within their party's mainstream: The first is the 1993 Senate Republican health plan, which is compared with Obama's plan here, with the similarity endorsed by former Republican Senator Dave Durenberger here. The second is the Bipartisan Policy Center plan, endorsed by Bob Dole, Howard baker, George Mitchell and Tom Daschle, which is compared to Obama's plan here. And the third, of course, is Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan, which was crafted by the same economist who helped create Obama's plan, and which is rhetorically indistinguishable from Obama's. (The main difference are that Obama's plan cuts Medicare and imposes numerous other cost-saving measures -- which is to say, attempting to craft a national version of Romney's plan would result in something substantially more liberal than Obama's proposal.)
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The democrats did not run on this bill, they ran on "anyone but Bush".
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The end of the bush era was already a foregone conclusion in 2008. :roll:

America lost, and if you read the polls, America knows it.
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That's not exactly what the polls say. But don't let that get in the way of blatant partisanship.
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Catz Part Deux said:
LaMidRighter said:
Please stop with the hyperbole. This plan is considerably more conservative than Romney's plan from Massachusetts.

Obama's Moderate Health Care Plan | The New Republic

And, the poll numbers don't show a majority against this because it's too liberal.

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Those against it because it is too liberal only represent 35% of the population. 43% either support it or say it doesn't go far enough. 20% are undecided. You're spinning the poll numbers like a whirling dervish.



Did you know the following?





The end of the bush era was already a foregone conclusion in 2008. :roll:



That's not exactly what the polls say. But don't let that get in the way of blatant partisanship.
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Catz, it isn't just healthcare. People are fed up.
I will use Rasmussen since Zogby is more difficult to navigate:
Congressional Performance - Rasmussen Reports
The results were calculated yesterday. 64% of the country thinks congress is doing a poor job, 11% think they are doing a good job. They gained 7% but are still over a record high in disapproval. This is bi-partisan hatred of congress, not my view. The survey was taken before the vote on healthcare. This is without the poor polling on healthcare. 52% of people say just the price of this bill alone is intolerable, this is excluding people who actually know the full economic ramifications of this thing.
To summarize, while the polls don't matter to make this bill illegal, they explain why this happened, the bill is unpopular and a final straw in a long process of people getting fed up with the federal government.
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Why are any of you even commenting on this like it is a fact that this was politically motivated?

This is New York.

Do kids not break windows with bricks anymore?

Maybe the guy that did it didn't even know what the place was.

Was anything stolen? Crackheads don't normally care if it is a politcal office or anything else.

Why don't we all hold our comments until they find out who did this and why.
 
ConservaBill said:
No my saddle works just fine...

tact [tækt]
n
1. a sense of what is fitting and considerate in dealing with others, so as to avoid giving offence or to win good will; discretion
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Careful...when you are correcting someones use of words you should probably expand your horizons first and recognize their choice of words was not wrong! Kinda makes you look silly!

I hope people are angry...and I hope the keep angry right up until November and they go to the polls and express their outrage through their vote. But when they start making threats and trhowing bricks through windows they show themselves to be no better than terrorists. Its disrespectful to the prinicples on which they CLAIM to be offended.

Honestly...I find it kind of hard for the American people to be angry at the democrats. Its not like they havent said from the beginning their socialist intent and agenda. If Americans are angry, blame themselves for not voting, or blame those that put these clowns in power.
 
aaronssongs said:
Typical, violent tea baggers.
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Those early 'TYPICAL VIOLENT' tea baggers ushered in a revolution that resulted in the formation of the United States and the ouster of an oppressive government that didnt respect the rule and will of the people.

When you say 'typical' I have to ask...wouldnt that imply that this type of destructive behavior occurs daily at the great majority of tea party events?
 
theangryamerican said:
You're assuming I'm not clinging tightly to guns of my own. ;)
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Good point, although 1 gun wouldn't do much good against 20 or 30, would it. :mrgreen:

Don't mind me (much).... I'm on a new kick to slam any one that uses the derogatory name..... tea bagger. It pisses me off no end.
 
Crunch said:
Good point, although 1 gun wouldn't do much good against 20 or 30, would it. :mrgreen:

Don't mind me (much).... I'm on a new kick to slam any one that uses the derogatory name..... tea bagger. It pisses me off no end.
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Did you join my tea party group yet? :mrgreen:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Did you join my tea party group yet? :mrgreen:
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Didn't know you had one.... I went to both of the ones in my area, does that count? (and didn't see one set of nuts in any ones mouth..... the liberals must not have shown up)
 
Crunch said:
Didn't know you had one.... I went to both of the ones in my area, does that count? (and didn't see one set of nuts in any ones mouth..... the liberals must not have shown up)
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lol dp social group, you are already a member. ;)
 
Crunch said:
If that were true, they would have shot you a long time ago for calling them teabaggers.
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So teabaggers are emotionally insecure homicidal morons who will kill people or at least threaten to shoot them for being called a tea bagger?


What a wonderfull group for people to be associated with
 
ConservaBill said:
No my saddle works just fine...

tact [tækt]
n
1. a sense of what is fitting and considerate in dealing with others, so as to avoid giving offence or to win good will; discretion
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OMG did you just walk right into it. RIGHT INTO THIS? You, trying to make someone feel foolish when it is YOU who are displaying ignorance :rofl

Take A Different Tact ( or ) Take A Different Tack :



This expression has nothing to do with tactfulness and everything to do with sailing, in which it is a direction taken as one tacks—abruptly turns—a boat.


To “take a different tack” is to try another approach.
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Tact for tack is a common error, but to compound the stupidity by criticising the person who tactfully corrects you without ridiculing you is one egregiously wrong tack to take.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Tact for tack is a common error, but to compound the stupidity by criticising the person who tactfully corrects you without ridiculing you is one egregiously wrong tack to take.
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How's your tongue feeling after that?:lol:
 
Mason66 said:
Why are any of you even commenting on this like it is a fact that this was politically motivated?

This is New York.

Do kids not break windows with bricks anymore?

Maybe the guy that did it didn't even know what the place was.

Was anything stolen? Crackheads don't normally care if it is a politcal office or anything else.

Why don't we all hold our comments until they find out who did this and why.
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Well, the brick had a note on it: "Exremism [sic] in defense of liberty is no vice". That does not seem like the work of kids.

Further, a blogger in Alabama is encouraging such behavior:

Blogger encourages throwing bricks at Democratic headquarters | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle


A blogger from Pinson, Ala., has encouraged his readers to break windows at Democratic headquarters across the country as a show of opposition to health care reform.

The blogger, Mike Vanderboegh, contacted the Democrat and Chronicle after the newspaper on Sunday published a Web story about the vandalism at the committee’s University Avenue headquarters, which happened Saturday or Sunday.

“Well, it seems New Yorkers continue to put the rest of you Sons of Liberty to shame,” the blog reads in a post dated today, with news reports of the Rochester vandalism.

The brick had a note attached, which read “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice,” credited to Barry Goldwater, said Democratic Committee spokesman Sean Hart.

On Friday, the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars, encouraged its readers to “Break their windows. Break them now.”

“Yet, if we do a thorough job of breaking Democrat windows, I am sure that the GOP will profit from the example,” the blog reads. “So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party cannot fail to hear, break their windows.”

The windows at the Niagara Falls office of Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-Fairport, were broken on Friday.

The blog claims windows were broken in other cities but does not have news media reports of such action.​
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Well if one blogger condones it, it must represent an entire movement.:doh
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Of course not. It's just the sort of thing going on out there. One act begets another and it escalates.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I don't see ANY evidence of this.
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One day, somebody threw the brick through a window. The next day, a blogger picks that up and advocates more of the same.

Democratic offices vandalized across the country - KansasCity.com

Vanderboegh posted the call for action Friday on his blog, “Sipsey Street Irregulars.” Referring to the health care reform bill as “Nancy Pelosi’s Intolerable Act,” he told followers to send a message to Democrats.

“We can break their windows,” he said. “Break them NOW. And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.”

Vanderboegh told The Kansas City Star that the action was meant to “get everyone’s attention.”

“What I was trying to get across was that people do not understand how on the edge of civil conflict this country is,” he said.​
 
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