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Health Care Bill has passed

Harry Guerrilla said:
Bah!
The Mayans believed in rebirth, it wasn't an end of world prediction. :2mad:
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I would suggest a slightly different tack

The Mayans I believe believed in end of civilizations and era's followed by new civilizations and era's.

Which in some cases could be said to be the end of the world as they knew it, but I dont think they felt fine when their's ended
 
Coronado said:
Not really. Obama ran on CHANGE, didn't he?
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Yes he did and now we will have change. Let's not count the chickens until the eggs are hatched, now. We must have patience.:hm and stand together in this great country as one.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Bah!
The Mayans believed in rebirth, it wasn't an end of world prediction. :2mad:
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the only reason people are saying this is 'cause a big stone mayan calendar runs out, my calendar runs out every year and the world has never ended.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I think you folks really need to learn a few things about healthcare, this 'aint gonna be tea and roses for you. But hey, enjoy your "victory" while it still feels good, and remember you were warned, actually don't worry, the first time you complain I'll remind you.
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Freeloaders are all in favor of the bill. I'm not at all surprised.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Yes he did and now we will have change. Let's not count the chickens until the eggs are hatched, now. We must have patience.:hm and stand together in this great country as one.
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Sorry, I don't stand with people who empower government past it's proscribed limitations.
 

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LiberalAvenger said:
Yes he did and now we will have change. Let's not count the chickens until the eggs are hatched, now. We must have patience.:hm and stand together in this great country as one.
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Oh right. We won't worry about what is in it until it's implemented. We'll all just whip out our patriotism now that we got a Democrat in the White House who is handing out the government cheese to any idiot who comes along. Brilliant plan.

At least you got the flag at half mast, where it should probably remain from here on in.
 
Coronado said:
Oh right. We won't worry about what is in it until it's implemented. We'll all just whip out our patriotism now that we got a Democrat in the White House who is handing out the government cheese to any idiot who comes along. Brilliant plan.

At least you got the flag at half mast, where it should probably remain from here on in.
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The half mast is for the republican party.
 
lizzie said:
Different circumstances altogether. One, it's a state-mandated issue, not federal. Two, you buy car insurance to protect yourself and your car from other idiots who cause damage. With health insurance, you are paying for your own gamble.
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If an uninsured motorist hit's your car, your insurance covers it and your rates go up. If an uninsured person has to go to the hospital, we have to treat them anyways, and our rates go up.

Not much different actually.

But I agree, I wish it could be left up to the states. But something had to be done. And it was. Not enough, but the longest journey begins with the first step.
 
Coronado said:
Freeloaders are all in favor of the bill. I'm not at all surprised.
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Idiots are all opposed to this bill.

See, I can do it too. The difference is I recognize how stupid that comment is, while you actually believe your stupid comment.
 
Redress said:
Idiots are all opposed to this bill.

See, I can do it too. The difference is I recognize how stupid that comment is, while you actually believe your stupid comment.
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It really wasn't that stupid. I find most people, and their reasons for opposing health care reform, to be, well, idiots. Not just about health care, but just about anything, really.

Not that there's anything wrong with idiots. My wife's an idiot. Look who she married!
 
Captain America said:
If an uninsured motorist hit's your car, your insurance covers it and your rates go up. If an uninsured person has to go to the hospital, we have to treat them anyways, and our rates go up.

Not much different actually.

But I agree, I wish it could be left up to the states. But something had to be done. And it was. Not enough, but the longest journey begins with the first step.
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You took the words out of my mouth, Captain. This really is just the first step in the right direction.

.....long time comin' but I'm so glad it's arrived!!


YAY!!! September 23rd I can put my uninsured son back on my medical coverage YIPPIE!!!!

:2wave:
 
Ok, so I was wrong about a few things, not completely but somewhat wrong.
Here is what starts soon.
  • Help for adults with pre-existing conditions. Within 90 days, the federal government will set up a temporary national high-risk insurance pool for people who can't get individual coverage because of pre-existing conditions and have been uninsured for at least six months. The premiums will be subsidized but only to bring the premiums costs down to 125% of the cost of coverage for a healthy person. The maximum annual out-of-pocket costs will still be substantial: $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for a family. The pool will dissolve once "full reform" begins in 2014, at which point insurers will no longer be able to turn anyone down because of pre-existing conditions.
  • Help for children with preexisting conditions. Help comes sooner for kids. Beginning in 2010, insurance plans will no longer be able to deny coverage for children with pre-existing conditions.
  • A crackdown on excessive premium hikes. News of double-digit premium increases in many states have drawn attention to the fact that state regulators often don't have much authority over health insurer premiums. The White House proposes to immediately create a new national Health Insurance Rate Authority that would review premiums and, if they turned out to be unreasonable, have the power to lower them or even force health plans to pay back overcharges to consumers.
  • Help for small businesses. Starting immediately, small businesses can get a tax credit of up to 35% for their share of their employees' health premiums as long as they contribute at least half of the cost. Businesses with 25 or fewer employees, and average annual wages of less than $50,000, are eligible for the credits.

What you'll get from reform right away
 
Captain America said:
It really wasn't that stupid. I find most people, and their reasons for opposing health care reform, to be, well, idiots. Not just about health care, but just about anything, really.

Not that there's anything wrong with idiots. My wife's an idiot. Look who she married!
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Well there you go. Everyone who opposed it is an idiot. Brilliant.

Yep, the thread has hit bottom. Later, folks!
 
missypea said:
You took the words out of my mouth, Captain. This really is just the first step in the right direction.

.....long time comin' but I'm so glad it's arrived!!


YAY!!! September 23rd I can put my uninsured son back on my medical coverage YIPPIE!!!!

:2wave:
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MISSY!

How you doing hun?

And of course, you are right and add some needed perspective. In amongst all the doom and gloom, some real, good people are going to gain from this.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Ok, so I was wrong about a few things, not completely but somewhat wrong.
Here is what starts soon.
  • Help for adults with pre-existing conditions. Within 90 days, the federal government will set up a temporary national high-risk insurance pool for people who can't get individual coverage because of pre-existing conditions and have been uninsured for at least six months. The premiums will be subsidized but only to bring the premiums costs down to 125% of the cost of coverage for a healthy person. The maximum annual out-of-pocket costs will still be substantial: $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for a family. The pool will dissolve once "full reform" begins in 2014, at which point insurers will no longer be able to turn anyone down because of pre-existing conditions.
  • Help for children with preexisting conditions. Help comes sooner for kids. Beginning in 2010, insurance plans will no longer be able to deny coverage for children with pre-existing conditions.
  • A crackdown on excessive premium hikes. News of double-digit premium increases in many states have drawn attention to the fact that state regulators often don't have much authority over health insurer premiums. The White House proposes to immediately create a new national Health Insurance Rate Authority that would review premiums and, if they turned out to be unreasonable, have the power to lower them or even force health plans to pay back overcharges to consumers.
  • Help for small businesses. Starting immediately, small businesses can get a tax credit of up to 35% for their share of their employees' health premiums as long as they contribute at least half of the cost. Businesses with 25 or fewer employees, and average annual wages of less than $50,000, are eligible for the credits.

What you'll get from reform right away
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This important piece from your link hit home for me:

Help for young adults. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' individual or group policies until their 26th birthdays starting six months after reform becomes law. That's a major benefit for a population with a much higher-than-average uninsurance rate; today nearly 30 percent of adults aged 19 to 29 are uninsured, compared to about 17 percent for the under-65 adult population as a whole.

Thanks for the link!
 
missypea said:
This important piece from your link hit home for me:

Help for young adults. Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' individual or group policies until their 26th birthdays starting six months after reform becomes law. That's a major benefit for a population with a much higher-than-average uninsurance rate; today nearly 30 percent of adults aged 19 to 29 are uninsured, compared to about 17 percent for the under-65 adult population as a whole.

Thanks for the link!
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There is more to it but it's less interesting than what I posted.
I'm trying to be fair and accurate. :)

I hope your son gets better.
 
Redress said:
MISSY!

How you doing hun?

And of course, you are right and add some needed perspective. In amongst all the doom and gloom, some real, good people are going to gain from this.
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I'm doing great. I really needed something wonderful to happen and having Obama sign this today was it.

I'm just so happy. I keep thinking about all those accounts (children) that are sitting in the system at work with denials for pre-existing conditions. OMG! No more denials. No more appeals. No more waiting.

It's definitely a time to rejoice.


:2wave:
 
missypea said:
I'm doing great. I really needed something wonderful to happen and having Obama sign this today was it.

I'm just so happy. I keep thinking about all those accounts (children) that are sitting in the system at work with denials for pre-existing conditions. OMG! No more denials. No more appeals. No more waiting.

It's definitely a time to rejoice.


:2wave:
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It's a good day, ain't it?
My family and I are so pleased. For everyone. :)
 
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