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Health Care Bill has passed

LaMidRighter said:
That sounds like about two to three personal attacks right there.
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On who? The Teabag party? If every time somebody makes fun of a party on this thread they got gigged we would have no members.

Hope you don't have money in the stock market, or mutual funds, or anything indexed.
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That is exactly what will happen. I picture it now. The economy crashing. White people becoming slaves. Men dressed in black marching down our streets and taking our children. Our women being forced to wear red hats. Our kids being told that the reason none of them have teeth today is because we passed the health bill. Oh the humanity! Oh Obama!

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Hatuey said:
That is exactly what will happen. I picture it now. The economy crashing. White people becoming slaves. Men dressed in black marching down our streets and taking our children. Our women being forced to wear red hats. Our kids being told that the reason none of them have teeth today is because we passed the health bill. Oh the humanity! Oh Obama!

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You do know that every company in the market is reinvested into insurance companies right?
 
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Voting has just begun on the third resolution, which is the reconciliation bill, to be sent to the Senate.

Will post the outcome as soon as the voting ends.
 
Catawba said:
It is truly inspiring to finally see our Representatives stand up for the people that put them in office!
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aaronssongs said:
Hate that you were on the wrong side of history and correctness.
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TBone said:
With all due respect, and to each his own, I have to disagree with your comments. There is no solid proof that a majority of American's were against this bill. Just because you yell the loudest, doesn't mean you yell for the majority. There is no proof it will put a nail in the coffin of the USA. Again no proof it will devastate our economy and place persons out of work. And, it is not un-Constitutional.
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Come on now, one of you have to have some kind of knowledge in the bill to support that it will save us money.
 
"Health care has emerged as a major issue in national debates leading up to the 2008 presidential election, with surveys finding that it ranks among the top three issues for voters, after the economy and the war in Iraq."
Health Care as a 2008 Election Issue: Background Brief

Representatives doing what people voted them in office to do is historic!!!

Gives me more hope in our system of government.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I'll be expecting crickets on that one, since there are no ways the bill can accomplish that. BTW, I hope none of the supporters have money in the stock market, I don't want to hear all of their whining and complaining when it recedes.
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There is no proof either way, you have none that it will make it more expensive or less expensive. Health care has been rising every year for how many years? And, it was rising for other reasons not associated with this bill. Health Care Trends in the United States: Rising Costs Fuel the Debate
 
danarhea said:
Voting has just begun on the third resolution, which is the reconciliation bill, to be sent to the Senate.

Will post the outcome as soon as the voting ends.
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I believe we are witnessing a Constitutional crisis,...

Talk about taxation without representation?

I would like to go on record now of predicting a violent backlash against the tactics used to get this passed. I can see riots forming to say the least.

That's just what my gut is telling me,... and I have seen it too many times that when I "think" or feel something,... someone else is out there two or three steps ahead of me.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Come on now, one of you have to have some kind of knowledge in the bill to support that it will save us money.
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Failing to "save us money" is hardly tantamount to destroying America, putting the final nail in the coffin of democracy, or any of the other crazy hyperbole being spewed on this thread.
Every other country in the industrialized world has something similar to this in place, and has for years.
We're far behind the times, from a humanitarian perspective.
It's high time we got with the program.

And you know what?
America's already on its way down. We all know that.
It's not Obama's fault; he's doing everything he can to halt the decline, but he may not be able to. Maybe nobody'll be able to. Maybe it's already too late.

But you know what?
Poor people are still going to need medical care, especially as more and more of us begin to descend into that category.
 
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aaronssongs said:
Hate that you were on the wrong side of history and correctness.
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No, hate that I will and my children will be paying for this bull****.

Correctness is working for what is yours and taking care of business. Period. I do it every day.

Do you?
 
This is the way I see things playing out if this bill gets finalized and signed:
First, insurance companies take a hit and show losses. Second, all the other companies that have money diversified such as the rest of the tech sector, manufacturing, etc. will have to eat those losses and their stock values will decline, meaning investors, many of whom are private citizens who may even be in that 40% and diminishing percentage of people who actually supported this piece of ****. Of course, a third thing will happen to further beat down the market, there was a capitol gains increase written into the bill, which will further strain the market in that people won't be able to as easily absorb losses via tax increases, so the middle class will have to liquidate and the income gap will further increase. All this and our healthcare will decline too.

Way to go "party of the people":roll: The screwheads in the Democratic party are working on being the most inept legislating body in human history. But by all means, UHC supporters, please feel good about yourselves.:roll:
 
1069 said:
Failing to "save us money" is hardly tantamount to destroying America, putting the final nail in the coffin of democracy, or any of the other crazy hyperbole being spewed on this thread.
Every other country in the industrialized world has something similar to this in place, and has for years.
We're far behind the times, from a humanitarian perspective.
It's high time we got with the program.
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I know your a particularly smart person and we haven't debated this issue but I think we should definitely considered the lifestyles those people lead before we compare them to the U.S.

Overall they are homogeneous demographically, lead healthy life styles and many other things that we are/do not.

To change the course of costs, we have to change the personal health habits of people.
That is the real preventative medicine, not doctors.
Nothing proposed/passed will do this.

Edit: I'm not a gloom and doomer.
I don't think it will destroy the country, just make it less financially stable.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
This is the way I see things playing out if this bill gets finalized and signed:
First, insurance companies take a hit and show losses. Second, all the other companies that have money diversified such as the rest of the tech sector, manufacturing, etc. will have to eat those losses and their stock values will decline, meaning investors, many of whom are private citizens who may even be in that 40% and diminishing percentage of people who actually supported this piece of ****. Of course, a third thing will happen to further beat down the market, there was a capitol gains increase written into the bill, which will further strain the market in that people won't be able to as easily absorb losses via tax increases, so the middle class will have to liquidate and the income gap will further increase. All this and our healthcare will decline too.

Way to go "party of the people":roll: The screwheads in the Democratic party are working on being the most inept legislating body in human history. But by all means, UHC supporters, please feel good about yourselves.:roll:
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No, most of this bill won't start rolling out until 2014. People will forget.
 
1069 said:
Failing to "save us money" is hardly tantamount to destroying America, putting the final nail in the coffin of democracy, or any of the other crazy hyperbole being spewed on this thread.
Every other country in the industrialized world has something similar to this in place, and has for years.
We're far behind the times, from a humanitarian perspective.
It's high time we got with the program.
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Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
 
Update 3: the Reconciliation bill has passed. This one will go to the Senate, after Obama signs the Health Care Legislation. If the reconciliation bill then gets 51 or more votes (no filibusters allowed under reconciliation), this bill then supersedes the one that was passed this evening, and becomes law.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
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And what will you say, if the economic upturn continues and progresses, and all the "doom and gloom' was for naught?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
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Well, we could always end the war to pay for it, if the situation's that dire.
I probably wouldn't die of disappointment if it turned out my son didn't have to go to Afghanistan after all.
 
danarhea said:
Well, this vote does settle one thing - Whether or not the Great Recession will end up being a double dipper. Looks that way now.
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Do you remember these memorable lines from the 1967 movie the Graduate, to Dustin Hoffman; buy plastic? Monday I’m getting ready to buy some healthcare stock. United healthcare to be specific. :2wave:
 
TBone said:
There is no proof either way, you have none that it will make it more expensive or less expensive.
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There is absolute proof that this thing will increase cost, the CBO scores have already predicted deficits with incomplete data, and by that I mean there were more proposals not released to them expected to further projections towards more cost. As well, CBO numbers are almost always off in a negative way. Hell, even the CBO conceded this will cost more money.
Health care has been rising every year for how many years? And, it was rising for other reasons not associated with this bill.
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All traceable to government overregulation, this bill increases overregulation.

Game/Set/Match/Thread
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WI Crippler said:
No, most of this bill won't start rolling out until 2014. People will forget.
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Not this time I think. The reasons being that their retirement portfolios will never recover and the effects of the rollout will still be stinging, all the conservatives(not necessarily Republicans) would then have to do is keep shoving it in the Democrat party's face.
 
And thus America begins it's decline with thunderous applause. The American people just got ignored, the special interests of the insurance companies just won, and the American people just got smacked in the face. Tonight is a real Obummer. Let's hope the courts can shoot down this illegal legislation.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
No, hate that I will and my children will be paying for this bull****.

Correctness is working for what is yours and taking care of business. Period. I do it every day.

Do you?
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I pay taxes, just like everybody else. Problem is, I don't get to decide on how my taxes are spent...both of my Texas Senators are Republicans, John Cornyn, and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, whom I loathe with every breath in me.
I hate that my taxes are going for 2 illegal wars, that was started by the previous administration....so I feel you, on having to pay for BS.
 
Why all the doom and gloom? This sorry a** bill don’t start kicking in until 2014,just maybe we can tinker with it and make it single payer before then. :2wave:
 
aaronssongs said:
I pay taxes, just like everybody else. Problem is, I don't get to decide on how my taxes are spent...both of my Texas Senators are Republicans, John Cornyn, and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, whom I loathe with every breath in me.
I hate that my taxes are going for 2 illegal wars, that was started by the previous administration....so I feel you, on having to pay for BS.
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I'm in Texas too, Aaron. Where you at?
 
If this thing does in fact become law, I will make it a point to laugh at every single UHC supporter that lose their jobs or retirement, they were warned of the consequences and did not pay attention. Good luck.
 
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