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Health Care Bill has passed

own up

what are YOU about?

the CONTROLLING of COSTS?

or the EXPANSION of COVERAGE?

be careful...

you can't answer BOTH

NOT if you DON'T want to sound as STUPID as our president

LOL!

party on, progressives

REPRESENT!

Why are you going on about this bill that you told us is dead? If it's dead, nothing left to talk about, right?
 
own up

what are YOU about?

the CONTROLLING of COSTS?

or the EXPANSION of COVERAGE?

be careful...

you can't answer BOTH

NOT if you DON'T want to sound as STUPID as our president

LOL!

party on, progressives

REPRESENT!

You said this bill is dead, why are you rambling on about it then? :rofl
 
Haha, wonderful Jall. So if you don't have insurance, we're going to fine you. If you do have insurance, but you can afford better insurance, we're going to tax you so you're still paying the fine.

Hope and change baby!
 
Whether or not these provisions allow the government to snoop in our bank accounts, it is troubling to see the word "ambiguous" several times in your link referring to the health care reform bill.

Ambiguity in laws leads to trouble.

Not arguing that point. It does point out that people can choose to not set up payments in this manner, which keeps the government for sure out, and I suspect that if the government could actually access the account beyond the setup to pay bills, that would be illegal. I do note that I am not a lawyer, so that last is pure supposition, take it for what it is worth.
 
Why are you going on about this bill that you told us is dead? If it's dead, nothing left to talk about, right?

LOL,the prof

will get

back to

you when

he gets

the new

goal post

set LOL.:2wave:
 
That actually came early on with the unfettered access to individual bank accounts. That just really bothers me on so many levels.

The real final blow was the way investment income is now going to be taxed and the taxing of "cadillac" plans. If the requirement is to have insurance, and one goes out to get really good insurance, having that insurance taxed is pretty much paying the fine for not having insurance even though you have it.

This whole bill just doesn't do anything it is intended to do.

Oh yes, I LOVE the fact that they require you to have insurance, but just not TOO GOOD of an insurance policy! God forbid you get really good insurance, you must be fined for that.

****ing ****tards.
 
Haha, wonderful Jall. So if you don't have insurance, we're going to fine you. If you do have insurance, but you can afford better insurance, we're going to tax you so you're still paying the fine.

Hope and change baby!

That's exactly it with this bill. It's not so much an expansion of healthcare for America as it is a codefied precedent for mobbing the successful and wealthy to take from them at the pleasure of the masses.

Everything in this bill reeks of this kind of populist garbage.
 
That's exactly it with this bill. It's not so much an expansion of healthcare for America as it is a codefied precedent for mobbing the successful and wealthy to take from them at the pleasure of the masses.

Everything in this bill reeks of this kind of populist garbage.

I bet Obama is finally reading some of the bill right now and saying... "OH ****."
 
Why are you going on about this bill that you told us is dead? If it's dead, nothing left to talk about, right?

such a teeny little perspective of things

LOL!

how do you expand m and m by 31 million new enrollees while simultaneously cutting funding of both underwater entitlements by half a trillion dollars?

waste, fraud and abuse?

LOL!

THAT's president pie-in-the-face's response

dang, that ted kennedy musta been awful DUMB not to find so much money

i mean, all those years chappaquiddick ted spent searching...
 
how is the mandate upon individuals to buy for themselves a very expensive PRIVATE product any kind of realization of universal coverage?

how's the youth vote gonna react when they learn they're suddenly more illegal than jose?

youths and independents DUMPED president pieface in virginia, jersey and mass, or don't you remember?

just wait til they hear what YOU'VE got in store for them

LOL!

really profitable politics you progressives practice

please persist

CALIFORNIA is MINE!
 
Biden to Obama: "This is a big f***ing deal."

Classy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQeNikp1Rj8"]YouTube- Biden to Obama at Health Care Signing: 'This is a Big F*#cking Deal'[/ame]
 
why do NONE of the vocal obamites on this thread defend THIS bill?

doesn't that tell YOU something?

TRY to think OUT of YOUR box!

LOL!
 
why do NONE of the vocal obamites on this thread defend THIS bill?

doesn't that tell YOU something?

TRY to think OUT of YOUR box!

LOL!

Because it's more fun watching you foam at the mouth.
 
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Not arguing that point. It does point out that people can choose to not set up payments in this manner, which keeps the government for sure out, and I suspect that if the government could actually access the account beyond the setup to pay bills, that would be illegal. I do note that I am not a lawyer, so that last is pure supposition, take it for what it is worth.

I'm frankly waiting for the LEGIONS of democrats on this forum that have complaiend for years about the Patriot Act not for any ACTUAL violatiosn but the POTENTIAL violations it presents and the POTENTIAL for abuse or expansion and the POTENTIAL for it to be used in ways other than its intended to start speaking out about the POTENTIAL for abuse and expansion of portions of this bill like this.

The government being allowed to get a warrant to cover multiple locations at once because a suspect has shown a prepencity to shuffle his communication throughout multiple types of communication devices and locations instead of getting one warrant for each thing? That's attrocious and could be abused.

The government being able to access anyones bank account and withdraw funds from it when they deem you in violation of the law. Oh, nothing to worry about there, we can trust the government won't expand on this notion now that they've deemed this kind of thing okay in certain cases.

:roll:
 
I'm frankly waiting for the LEGIONS of democrats on this forum that have complaiend for years about the Patriot Act not for any ACTUAL violatiosn but the POTENTIAL violations it presents and the POTENTIAL for abuse or expansion and the POTENTIAL for it to be used in ways other than its intended to start speaking out about the POTENTIAL for abuse and expansion of portions of this bill like this.

The government being allowed to get a warrant to cover multiple locations at once because a suspect has shown a prepencity to shuffle his communication throughout multiple types of communication devices and locations instead of getting one warrant for each thing? That's attrocious and could be abused.

The government being able to access anyones bank account and withdraw funds from it when they deem you in violation of the law. Oh, nothing to worry about there, we can trust the government won't expand on this notion now that they've deemed this kind of thing okay in certain cases.

:roll:

So far I have seen no evidence the government can withdraw funds through this without permission. If such is contained in the bill(and I already said this), I would suspect it was illegal and could and should be challenged in court, and I would oppose it.
 
That's exactly it with this bill. It's not so much an expansion of healthcare for America as it is a codefied precedent for mobbing the successful and wealthy to take from them at the pleasure of the masses.

Everything in this bill reeks of this kind of populist garbage.

Class warfare, placed into the US Code by the Democrats. Mediocrity for all, success will be punished.
 
Haha, wonderful Jall. So if you don't have insurance, we're going to fine you. If you do have insurance, but you can afford better insurance, we're going to tax you so you're still paying the fine.

Hope and change baby!

It makes sense to me. The objective is to deter companies from offering completely comprehensive and untaxed insurance benefits in lieu of taxable income. Repubs have touted consumer based H.C. Deductibles encourage people to shop around and become aware of costs.
 
The minor emergency room costs $120, cash on the barrelhead; an office visit is comparable. You then pay additionally for a strep-test and any other lab fees. it's going to run you at least $160-$180, more likely around 200 bucks.
Good antibiotics like Zythromax (Z-Pac) are around $70; most often doctors will prescribe additional drugs such as a decongestant and hydrocodone syrup for a sore throat.
It all ends up adding up to around $200 just for the drugs.
My experience with the ER is, if you simply ask- not even give a sob story, just ask- they'll give you samples, and then all the drugs are free.
I've had ER docs give me full courses of antibiotics for free, in little individual sample packs.
All you have to do is say, "How much is this prescription going to cost, because I really don't have any money", and they'll bust out a box of free samples.

How much do you think an office visit and prescription drugs cost?


By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
It's everyone's right.

For the past couple of years, I've had insurance, and you know what? I can't afford to go to the doctor with it, because it's a $40 co-pay for an office visit, and then $15 for prescriptions, and I basically never have that much cash on hand to blow.

Absolutely yes. Health care is a right. We have been paying for Charles Manson's health care for years.
 
Oh yes, I LOVE the fact that they require you to have insurance, but just not TOO GOOD of an insurance policy! God forbid you get really good insurance, you must be fined for that.

****ing ****tards.

You can thank the Republicans and the Bluedogs for that...they are the ones who prevented the public option and stuck you with the buy insurance requirement. Most of us, including most of the public wanted the public option.
 
Class warfare, placed into the US Code by the Democrats. Mediocrity for all, success will be punished.

Precisely. The entire bill, from beginning to end, is a dissertation on entitlement.
 
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