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Stupak Says Deal Looming for Abortion Funding Ban in Health Care

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Excerpted from “Stupak Says Deal Looming for Abortion Funding Ban in Health Care; The leader of a key bloc of House Democrats opposed to abortion said Sunday that he is close to an agreement that would allow him to vote for the health care bill.” By FOXNews.com, Updated March 21, 2010
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]he leader of a key bloc of House Democrats opposed to abortion said Sunday that he is close to an agreement that would allow him to vote for the health care bill but he has not yet given a "yes."

President Obama could offer a presidential executive order saying that money used for insurance exchanges as envisioned in health care legislation pending in Congress will not go to fund abortion services.

Supporters hope the order, which does not require congressional approval, would shore up long-standing law barring federal aid for abortions except for cases of rape or incest or when the mother's life is threatened. …
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Can the Democrats unite around health care reform? It would be ‘a good thing.’
 
CNN is reporting that Rep. Bart Stupak has called a press conference for 4 pm.

Rep. Henry Waxman is very confident that they'll pass the bill today with more than 216 votes.
 
I don't really understand how they plan to separate federal funds from private funds. Let's say someone poor enough to get a federal subsidy for health insurance is purchasing a health insurance plan. Let's say it's a 20% subsidy.

The person wants to purchase an insurance plan from a private company that covers abortion. The insurance company would love to cover abortion, because abortion is way cheaper than pregnancy.

How do you define which dollars go where? You could easily argue "no, it's the 80% personal funding that covers the abortion, we'll use those subsidy dollars next time she gets pneumonia."
 
Excerpted from “White House, Bart Stupak reach abortion agreement” By DAVID ROGERS & PATRICK O'CONNOR & JONATHAN ALLEN, Politico, 3/21/10 3:10 PM EDT
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]he White House and anti-abortion Democrats have reached an agreement to defuse the controversy over abortion in the health reform bill – planning a series of steps that will secure the support of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and other Democrats to give party leaders the votes they need to pass reform, sources tell POLITICO.

Under the agreement, President Barack Obama would sign an executive order ensuring that no federal funding will go to pay for abortion under the health reform plans. In addition, Stupak will get to state his concerns about abortion funding in the bill during a colloquy on the House floor during the debate.

And then, Stupak and several other Democratic hold-outs over abortion will sign on to the bill, the sources said. The agreement would almost certainly give House Speaker Nancy Pelosi the 216 votes she needs to secure an historic health reform vote by day’s end – capping a year-long drive to achieve Obama’s signature legislative goal. …
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The deal appears to have been completed.
 
Once again, America prevails over ignorance and fear.

Go U.S.A.
 
Deuce said:
Funny I was just thinking the opposite.
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There is nothing to fear but fear itself. I can't help ya with the ignorance part. :rofl











j/k :mrgreen:
 
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. -- Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Iron Yank said:
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. -- Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson
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Thomas Jefferson is not important according to the people who are going to be printing 80% of this nations history books. Thank Republicans for that.
 
It's not every day that you see a man renounce his faith before God, family, and his fellow citizens on national television. Wow.

Stupak actually voted against legislation THAT HE WROTE HIMSELF in order to pass this bill. I'd put a "LOL" after that, but it's so tragic, it's not funny.

Stupak stood firmly on the principles of his upbringing, his church, and his faith up until two hours before the point of true judgment, but he fell victim from the reaches of the fiery depths of the White House, and sold his soul to Obama.

And for what? A meaningless "executive order" that isn't worth the paper its printed on?

This man will rue the day he ever did this. As this bill gets challenged by 80 percent of our 50 states, and as the TV ads run come fall, including Catholics that will rail on their personal Benedict Arnold, he will very much regret the decision he made yesterday.

Stupak just became the poster boy for Obamacare, and the government-sponsored abortion that it will certainly encompass when this shakes out.
 
Hatuey said:
Thomas Jefferson is not important according to the people who are going to be printing 80% of this nations history books. Thank Republicans for that.
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Link please.
 
Iron Yank said:
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson
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Hmmm The Iraq war comes to mind for that. I guess when the government kept financing the Iraq War they were being sinful and tyrannical.
 
Deuce said:
I don't really understand how they plan to separate federal funds from private funds. Let's say someone poor enough to get a federal subsidy for health insurance is purchasing a health insurance plan. Let's say it's a 20% subsidy.

The person wants to purchase an insurance plan from a private company that covers abortion. The insurance company would love to cover abortion, because abortion is way cheaper than pregnancy.

How do you define which dollars go where? You could easily argue "no, it's the 80% personal funding that covers the abortion, we'll use those subsidy dollars next time she gets pneumonia."
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It's easy. Essentially, you buy two different policies.
 
American said:
Link please.
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AUSTIN, Tex. — After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.

The vote was 10 to 5 along party lines, with all the Republicans on the board voting for it.
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Texas Conservatives Win Vote on Textbook Standards - NYTimes.com
 
Iron Yank said:
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson
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That one is obviously bogus. The rest, who knows.
 
liblady said:
thanks misterman...i was listening to this on the radio and couldn't believe it.
and guess where those surplus tx textbooks end up? EVERYWHERE.
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Not just the surplus ones - the printers use the Texas version in many other states because it's more economic (though that has changed somewhat with technology.) That's why this goes beyond Texas.
 
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