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Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

Partisan said:
Quit it, you have to know that you must show valid ID to law enforcement upon request under any circumstances, if requested.....;)
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Not true. They have to have a reason to stop you and ask you for ID. I've already been through this in LA twice...there has to be a reason to even ask.
 
jallman said:
Not true. They have to have a reason to stop you and ask you for ID. I've already been through this in LA twice...there has to be a reason to even ask.
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Please, all they gotta do is say you swerved, staggered, acted suspiciously, (insert reason here)......:roll:
Any cop can pretty much make it up on the fly.....;)
 
Partisan said:
Why should a sweep cause a controversial lawsuit?.......:confused:
At least it shouldn't.....
If you are referring to lawsuits created because of illegals getting trapped in the 'dragnet', it is the cost of doing business properly.....
He is picking up the GUBMINT slack as far as I am concerned....
If ACLU lawyers want to quibble about who should be upholding the law of the land, so be it.....
But they are the ones guilty of the frivolous, controversial lawsuits, IMO.....;)
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I agree, litigious extortion by pro-criminals is no reason for someone to ignore the law.Joe did not file the lawsuits, scumbags and scumbag sympathizers and other pro-criminals filed the lawsuits. So the fault does not like with Joe.
 
Partisan said:
Quit it, you have to know that you must show valid ID to law enforcement upon request under any circumstances, if requested.....;)
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Actually, they have to have probable cause to even stop you or question you...Try again. So, what would be the probable cause for stopping a "suspected illegal"? Being brown? Driving while latino?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Actually, they have to have probable cause to even stop you or question you...Try again. So, what would be the probable cause for stopping a "suspected illegal"? Being brown?
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If you would have bothered to read my previous post, you would know have the answer......
The answer is: They make up probable cause, if they want to....;)
He staggered, (public drunkeness), threw a cigarette butt (littering), loitering, you swerved, etc....
C'mon you know it is true, if a cop wants to question you, he will & there is not a damn thing you can do about it........;)
 
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Partisan said:
If you would have bothered to read my previous post, you would know have the answer......
The answer is: They make up probable cause, if they want to....;)
He staggered, (public drunkeness), threw a cigarette butt (littering), loitering, you swerved, etc....
C'mon you know it is true, if a cop wants to question you, he will & there is not a damn thing you can do about it........;)
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And that's acceptable to you?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
And that's acceptable to you?
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It is what it is & has been that way forever & it is not going to change because it is subject to the discretion of the officer in question.....;)
They can make it up as they go, a broken tail light, license plate light, whatever....;)
 
Partisan said:
It is what it is & has been that way forever & it is not going to change because it is subject to the discretion of the officer in question.....;)
They can make it up as they go, a broken tail light, license plate light, whatever....;)
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Yeah, okay. I have a problem with officers stopping someone for being brown and asking them to prove their citizenship. That's illegal.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I take it from this statement that you haven't spent much time in jail/prison. If you had, you'd realize how ridiculous it is.
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California built a Max security prison a few years ago called Pelican Bay. Before it opened they gave tours for the local people so we would all know how secure it was, and it is...... they have never had an escape from the enclosed population.

However, they also had a TV in every cell except the "shoe" w/cable, a rec room with big screen TV's W/ cable and VCR., a Baseball diamond, a regulation outdoor Basketball court, a regulation indoor Basketball court, indoor and outdoor free weights, an excellently stocked "store" where you could buy almost anything you could "outside", and tennis courts.... 12 of them.

Sounds like a real hardship to me.
 
Crunch said:
California built a Max security prison a few years ago called Pelican Bay. Before it opened they gave tours for the local people so we would all know how secure it was, and it is...... they have never had an escape from the enclosed population.

However, they also had a TV in every cell except the "shoe" w/cable, a rec room with big screen TV's W/ cable and VCR., a Baseball diamond, a regulation outdoor Basketball court, a regulation indoor Basketball court, indoor and outdoor free weights, an excellently stocked "store" where you could buy almost anything you could "outside", and tennis courts.... 12 of them.

Sounds like a real hardship to me.
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I have a good friend who played tennis on their court. He's a sitting judge in Utah. I don't think you've ever been inside a maximum security prison, or you would be singing a different tune.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Yeah, okay. I have a problem with officers stopping someone for being brown and asking them to prove their citizenship. That's illegal.
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Don't have to ask them to prove citizenship, just ask for ID.... if they don't have it hold for 72 until the finger print check comes back. same as they do for us white folks. :roll:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have a good friend who played tennis on their court. He's a sitting judge in Utah. I don't think you've ever been inside a maximum security prison, or you would be singing a different tune.
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I toured it.... not a bad life if you can keep from getting killed by the gangs inside, but that's not the point that Boomer was making is it?
 
Crunch said:
Don't have to ask them to prove citizenship, just ask for ID.... if they don't have it hold for 72 until the finger print check comes back. same as they do for us white folks. :roll:
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I've never been held for 72 hours for not having ID on me.
 
Crunch said:
Don't have to ask them to prove citizenship, just ask for ID.... if they don't have it hold for 72 until the finger print check comes back. same as they do for us white folks. :roll:
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On what charges? So now, you're not only advocating that we overturn the presumption of innocence, but that people be held without charges?

Let's just scrap the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. Well done, Gentlemen.


Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
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it's a good thing we took civics out of the school system. The result is Crunch + Partisan. :roll:
 
Tucker Case said:
I've never been held for 72 hours for not having ID on me.
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I have........ got stopped for not signaling in time and I had forgotten to take my wallet with me. It happens all of the time, that's why they have that law on the books in every State.
 
Crunch said:
I have........ got stopped for not signaling in time and I had forgotten to take my wallet with me. It happens all of the time, that's why they have that law on the books in every State.
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That's because you aren't allowed TO DRIVE without a driver's license and proof of insurance.

But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the police WALKING UP TO A PERSON ON THE STREET AND DEMANDING TO SEE IDENTIFICATION THAT PROVES THAT THEY ARE A U.S. CITIZEN. That's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Cheese and rice. :roll::doh:roll::doh
 
Catz Part Deux said:
On what charges? So now, you're not only advocating that we overturn the presumption of innocence, but that people be held without charges?

Let's just scrap the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. Well done, Gentlemen.

it's a good thing we took civics out of the school system. The result is Crunch + Partisan. :roll:
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Catz, quote all of the amendments you want, but it is the law ....
You can be held for seventy two hours without being charged.....;)
 
Crunch said:
I have........ got stopped for not signaling in time and I had forgotten to take my wallet with me. It happens all of the time, that's why they have that law on the books in every State.
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That's because you were breaking a law at the time, not because you didn't have ID.
 
Partisan said:
Catz, quote all of the amendments you want, but it is the law ....
You can be held for seventy two hours without being charged.....;)
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Not without presumption of guilt. Jesus Christ, you people literally have no idea what your rights are.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
That's because you aren't allowed TO DRIVE without a driver's license and proof of insurance.

But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the police WALKING UP TO A PERSON ON THE STREET AND DEMANDING TO SEE IDENTIFICATION THAT PROVES THAT THEY ARE A U.S. CITIZEN. That's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

Cheese and rice. :roll::doh:roll::doh
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You still don't get it...
They can make it up as they go.....
Public inebriation, whatever.....:roll:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
On what charges? So now, you're not only advocating that we overturn the presumption of innocence, but that people be held without charges?

Let's just scrap the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. Well done, Gentlemen.

it's a good thing we took civics out of the school system. The result is Crunch + Partisan. :roll:
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You are being intentionally obtuse because you have lost this debate.

If you don't have ID to prove who you are when an officer of the court asks for it they can hold for 72 hours, with no charges, in any State in this country while they find out who you are.

If they didn't have this law, all wanted criminals wouldn't carry ID and would always go free... this is reality, deal with it.

On another subject..... I could have sworn Tucker said to knock off the personal attacks..... did you miss that?
 
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