Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

jamesrage said:

As long as Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets the job done he will probably keep getting elected until the day he is too old to be sheriff and that pisses off a lot of pro-illegals and other criminal sympathizers.

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Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.

Tucker Case said:

Notice the terminology: Citizen of each state. Not Citizens of the United States.

That clearly and obviously means it is up to each State to determine who comprises their own citizens. Once they become a citizen of a state, they become a citizen of the US. NOT the other way around. That's how we started ****ing up the country. We flipped the hierarchy and gave more authority to the feds.



On top of that, I said "legal resident", not "citizen", so even though Article IV section 2 makes it obvious that it is the individual State that decides who its own citizens are, it becomes a moot point anyway when discussing legal residency.



And I point everyone to the words of Thomas Jefferson, again:



The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

"...that no power over them has been delegated to the United States."


Pretty clear statement. Now, I realize that this simple fact is obvious as all hell, given the terminology and powers delegated to the Federal government in the constitution.

The only foreigners that fall under federal authority are those from countries that are enemy nations. These would be nations such as Iran, North Korea, Cuba etc. Because that would be a military/diplomatic matter (which are matters that the Federal government does have authority over)

Not Mexico, not Poland, not Haiti, etc. Those are nations we have friendly relations with, and thus their people are classified as Friendly aliens.

Thus, they are left to the jurisdiction of the States they reside in.

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The feds have to have the ability to control corrupt southern states like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

Vader said:

The feds have to have the ability to control corrupt southern states like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

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What? Those states are not liberal enough for you so you want them squelched?

Vader said:

Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.

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Let's see now. A sheriff who acts within the law, to uphold the law is now a Nazi? If that is the kind of view you get while standing in the 'middle' of the road, watch out, you are likely to get run over.

Vader said:

Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.

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Upholding the law makes someone equivalent to someone who committed atrocities in WWII and some racist inbreeds? What the fuck have you been learning in school? Perhaps if you were not playing your startrek/starwars actions figures, going to nerd trek conventions to ask desperate out of work actors stupid ass questions about the shows, getting into arguments with your trekkie/starwars nerd friends which series is better and other stupid ass shit in school you might have been able to pay attention in your classes and therefor not make some stupid ass comparison of a law enforcement official to a piece of shit nazi..

Boomyal said:

What? Those states are not liberal enough for you so you want them squelched?

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Their politics are irrelevent. Their refusal to stay within the rule of law is what displeases me.

The government of the south cannot seem to remain on the level. This is why the feds need to have the ability to put a foot in corrupt southern ass.

Vader said:

Their politics is irrelevent. Their refusal to stay within the rule of law is what displeases me.

The government of the south cannot seem to remain on the level. This is why the feds need to have the ability to put a foot in corrupt southern ass.

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How is rounding up illegal aliens refusing to stay within the law?.......

Partisan said:

How is rounding up illegal aliens refusing to stay within the law?.......

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I think Vader is under the impression that being able to wear what you want in jail, air conditioning, cable tv, and many other luxuries are constitutional rights and should be extended to inmates.

My parents immigrated to the US in 1955 legally. They had passports and sponsors as provided by law, and obtained legal residency. They spoke little to no English, but got jobs and went to work. They got no preferential treatment, bilingual support or govt handouts. They are now comfortably retired by the efforts of their own hands. That's what I expect of immigrants coming here today.

rathi said:

Arpaio is a disgrace to law enforcement and its pathetic how he can get away with incredible corruption just by pandering against illegal immigrants. He has cost the county incredible amounts of money from illegal treatment at his jail and uses police powers to harass those who criticize him. His "street sweeps" are a grave insult to the constitution. I understand folks wanting to the police do something about illegal immigration, but that doesn't excuse justifying his unacceptable behavior. You can easily enforce the law without breaking it in the process.

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If you statement was valid, believe me this sheriff would have been dismissed long ago.

American said:

They got no preferential treatment, bilingual support or govt handouts.

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I just want to point out that these issues are entirely different issues than the actual immigration laws.

Imposing extremely tough illegal immigration laws does nothing whatsoever to alleviate these problems.

My personal stance is that issues such as these are the one's we should be focusing on. This is because the lion's share of the "costs" associated with illegal immigration are found in these problems. But more importantly, these problems are also, at their root, related to other sweeping problems across the nation that extend beyond the issue of immigration.

The immigration thing is, for the most part, scapegoating and a red herring for the what I believe is the real problem. Which is the Federal government overstepping it's bounds due to a Hamiltonian interpretation of the constitution, specifically the "General Welfare" clause.

I'm personally against such liberal interpretations of "General Welfare" for the purposes of entitlements just as much I'm against such liberal interpretations of "Invaders" for the purposes of imposing Federalized immigration laws.

Both of these issues should be left to the States.

But that position naturally follows from my ultra-small-government anti-federalist point of view. My positions are more like those of Madison and Jefferson, who had more anti-federalist leanings and were the leaders in opposition to Hamilton's Federalist positions.

Hence my Madisonian stance on the "General Welfare" clause, and my previous quoting of Thomas Jefferson regarding the lack of Federal authority regarding immigration laws.

My problem is that modern "conservatives" tend to be a mix between the Hamiltonian and Jeffersonian viewpoints. They become Hamiltonian when they agree with the federal legislation, and Jeffersonian when they disagree with it. All too often, the basic principles of small governemnt only apply in situations where they disagree with the legislation in question.

In this regard, politically speaking, the majority of modern conservatives are no better than modern liberals, IMO.