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Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

Do you think that the average person who protested against the wars or who will protest against this is mostly angry about reconciliation, or just generally opposed to the program in question?

Only 35 percent of Americans support the bill, according to Gallup. For the Dems to just pass it anyway is like a big F-YOU to the will of the people.

Those town halls were pretty intense last summer, and that was when the bill was more popular overall than now, and they were talking about doing it without reconcilliation.

This.....this is unprecedented in scope, public dislike of the bill, and in total public awareness.
 
Only 35 percent of Americans support the bill, according to Gallup. For the Dems to just pass it anyway is like a big F-YOU to the will of the people.

Those town halls were pretty intense last summer, and that was when the bill was more popular overall than now, and they were talking about doing it without reconcilliation.

This.....this is unprecedented in scope, public dislike of the bill, and in total public awareness.

And 15% of Americans oppose the bill because it is not liberal enough. Did you figure that in?
 
[And] no one, absolutely no one, believes these numbers are accurate. The CBO doesn't even know what it's measuring. It's stupid to even try.

As I understand it, Congress cannot even vote on a bill that affects the nation's budget/deficit w/o first having the CBO score it. And as most of us have learned in recent months, the CBO's estimates are simply a rough estimate based on figures as outlined in the proposed legistlation. And since no one knows how some things will play out in the future, it's extremely difficult if not impossible to accurately determine what cost projections will look like 10, 15, 20, 30 yrs from now. The best the CBO can do is...guess.

Still, for all those people complaining about future generations having to eat today's debt figures, the CBO does a very good job of laying some of those fears to rest if only the doomsday naysayers would just calm down and try to understand that the sky may be grey today but it won't always be this way. In fact, per the CBO, the skies get alot clears in 20 yrs. :cool: And they will get better in the near-term as well. Folks just gotta stop with all this fear-mongering and try to see things from a more practical point of view.
 
Still, for all those people complaining about future generations having to eat today's debt figures, the CBO does a very good job of laying some of those fears to rest if only the doomsday naysayers would just calm down and try to understand that the sky may be grey today but it won't always be this way. In fact, per the CBO, the skies get alot clears in 20 yrs. :cool: And they will get better in the near-term as well. Folks just gotta stop with all this fear-mongering and try to see things from a more practical point of view.

If this were the final bill, I might give you some leeway there. But when Nancy and Kucinich and Reid, etc, say "this is just the beginning", I tend to believe this CBO score is merely table dressing.
 
OK, let's fast forward to next Monday, and DEEM (pretend) that this thing passes.

What will be the atmosphere? I'm telling you, it ain't gonna be pretty.

I'm not predicting Rodney King verdict violence, but you are going to see a national uprising like you haven't seen in over a century.

Those town halls you saw last summer will seem like cub scout meetings compared to this.

This is the kind of fear mongering I'm talking about, folks. Why does one have to react so irrationally?

Calm down, tough guy. The sky isn't falling; socialism isn't coming to the US in a day, and yes, you'll still have health care coverage whether the reform bill passes or not.

Chill...
 
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This is the kind of fear mongering I'm talking about, folks. Why does one have to react so irrationally?

Calm down, tough guy. The sky isn't falling; socialism isn't coming to the US in a day, and yes, you'll still have health care coverage with the reform bill passes or not.

Chill...

Well, never mind this thread. Now they're apparently not even going to wait the 72 hours THAT OBAMA PROMISED LAST NIGHT ON FOX.

I created another thread on the Wall Street Journal article just released.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Vote, Don't Debate - WSJ.com
 
Only 35 percent of Americans support the bill, according to Gallup. For the Dems to just pass it anyway is like a big F-YOU to the will of the people.

Those town halls were pretty intense last summer, and that was when the bill was more popular overall than now, and they were talking about doing it without reconcilliation.

This.....this is unprecedented in scope, public dislike of the bill, and in total public awareness.
well, let's read the bill, shall we? i imagine a good portion of the poeple who are against this plan don't know how this plan will work.
 
Re: WSJ article linked to by Eron

Read it...it's not like the Reps haven't done the same thing in the past; just that now the big deal is a campaign promise broken to allow the public to read legistlative proposals for a specified period (72-hrs) before being voted on.

I see the hypocrisy, but I also see the urgency from one political view point and to a degree I agree with it. It would be one thing if both sides were truly working together to improve legistlation, but seeing that that's not the case...:2wave:
 
well, let's read the bill, shall we? i imagine a good portion of the poeple who are against this plan don't know how this plan will work.

And I imagine a good portion of the people who are for this plan don't either.
 
Re: WSJ article linked to by Eron

Read it...it's not like the Reps haven't done the same thing in the past; just that now the big deal is a campaign promise broken to allow the public to read legistlative proposals for a specified period (72-hrs) before being voted on.

Obama said just yesterday on Fox it'd be posted for 72 hours before the vote.
 
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