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House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

We're not talking about leverage, we're talking about a huge ass bill being squeezed through without even a vote! :doh

If you support this, then you should support the republicans using this process with every single fcking bill, because their going to do that after they take back the house and the senate.

And well they might.
BUT for the two years 2010 - 2012 I doubt they can get the President to sign whatever they pass.
 
And well they might.
BUT for the two years 2010 - 2012 I doubt they can get the President to sign whatever they pass.

Yup....... total dead lock until 2012, then look out, no more governerment health care, drilling off both coasts and ANWAR, no gay marriage.... I'm sure the list will go on and on........ for years and years. You're gunna love it.
 
The right-wing came up with the word RINO to describe these people on their side.

I propose liberals adopt "DINO."

Edit: I'm still confused what people are saying about this. It sounds like a vote still takes place. Am I wrong?

right...so they are democrats in name only if they think spending 1.5 to 2 trillion an a health care gamble that wont come anywhere close to covering 10% of the people and carries provisions for government funding of abortion, is a BAD thing?

maybe its not health care reform they are opposed to but THIS obamanation?
 
The right-wing came up with the word RINO to describe these people on their side.

I propose liberals adopt "DINO."

Edit: I'm still confused what people are saying about this. It sounds like a vote still takes place. Am I wrong?

What they are doing is creating a court battle. I doubt most libs WANT there to be an actual vote...so if they can sneak this past without normal constitutional procedure they will...only to have it go to the Supreme Court and be overturned.
 
Yup....... total dead lock until 2012, then look out, no more governerment health care, drilling off both coasts and ANWAR, no gay marriage.... I'm sure the list will go on and on........ for years and years. You're gunna love it.

Well the scary part is that the repuclicans will just pull the same stunts...so...it will be interesting to see how the liberals role with that little twist of fate...
 
Well the scary part is that the repuclicans will just pull the same stunts...so...it will be interesting to see how the liberals role with that little twist of fate...

Hopefully they are smart enough to see this and will at least give the citizens of this country a reach around.
 
they will want to vote on a reconcilation fix (which they haven't even written yet and have to have online like yesterday...)

and the reconciliation will talk about the reid bill as if it has already been passed and signed into existing law

by a majority assenting to the reconiciliation which just kinda assumes the reid bill is law, well, that's good enough

everyone seems to be signing on to LANGUAGE which PRESUPPOSES, y'know, that previous passage

therefore, they must AGREE to it

that reconciliation fix will talk about reid a lot, very CONSPICUOUSLY and in the PAST TENSE, as if that which hasn't happened and never will has already occurred

thanks, you're hearing me, it's hard to explain

the point is---THEY'LL NEVER GET THE VOTES

if members won't go for the SENATE BILL, no way will they go for the DEEM

it's DUMB

y'know

thanks

just look what THIS ONE DOOF has DONE to his party

look what's he done to NANCY

and hundreds of others

look what he's done to THIS forum's membership

they're SHOCKED by their own leadership's TACTICS

it is what it is

party on, mr president

i don't think many progressives (at least around here) are with you anymore (at least on this, your raison d'etre, your only reason for rising each morn)

mr obama, YOU ARE ONE REALLY WEIRD DUDE, MAN

you just can't LET IT GO

LOL!
 
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look what he's wrought

all LOSERS, all issues on which he's already LOST:

health care

cap and trade

wall street regulatory reform

gitmo

trying terrorists before civil courts (in manhattan)

the special prosecution of the cia

don't ask don't tell

iran

afghanistan ESCALATED

china (trade, currency negotiation, climate, sanctions...)

putin

the stimulus

the deficit

unemployment

the bailouts, bonuses and takeovers

climate accords

massachusetts, new jersey, virginia

the loss of seniors and independents

transparency---LOL!

bipartisanship---LOL!

lobbyists---aig, phrma, the uaw, the seiu

the reachout, where are the results

changing america's image abroad

israel

the olympics

does anyone remember when this FOOL won the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?

!!!

LOLOLOLOL!

now THAT's funny!

it's surprising, really, how many people so far have been willing to GO DOWN with him
 
Hopefully they are smart enough to see this and will at least give the citizens of this country a reach around.

I hope they are too...I dont trust the republicans with this kind of power anymore than i do the democrats.
 
Oh, so breaking protocol and most probably the law is fine as long as you agree with the issue? Do you want to go on the record as saying that?

I see he already did.
 
Y'know, I dont give a damn anymore, I really dont. I wish I could say I do but I just really dont. .

Emotional decisions are pretty bad ones in general. Good representing there.

Do it right or not at all.

I prefer a more reasoned approach personally.
 
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Emotional decisions are pretty bad ones in general. Good representing there.

Do it right or not at all.

I've felt the pull of Anarchism in the last few years. I want to say that it's an emotional feeling, but I cant really support that in any intellectually honest way. The more we progress, the more I feel like we arent ready for this and we need to kick it over and start again when we're more mature and able to handle things with a more mature mindset.
 
Congressional Phone Lines Maxing Out on Capitol Hill - HUMAN EVENTS

phones off the hook on capitol hill like never before

i've seen this many times

these are talk radio people, teabag people

they did this over bush/mccain's immigration reform, which got labeled by "death panel types" (good friends of mine) as "amnesty"

cspan's open phone lines---they're not gonna be LIBS flooding an institution like that, trust me

why, you can see it in these very forums, exactly who's making all those calls

look what leadership has wrought

when are you progresso's gonna stand up and take back your movement from incompetence

and corruption

when are you gonna reclaim your self respect?

very soon, i believe, too many of you are too decent
 
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roll call, the paper of record on the hill, cspan's morning source

chuck todd's previous gig

(he's a district by district guy, an almanac of congress)

Plans in Flux on Health Vote - Roll Call

unbelievable

larson says yes, clyburn says no, hoyer and pelosi say both and neither

"there are a lot of members who don't want to vote for it," meaning the senate bill---nancy pelosi, the palsied speakeress, march SIXTEEN, 2010

yesterday, ides of march---"nobody wants to vote for the senate bill"

(hold on, there's some bombshells comin):

"i didn't hear this ferocity when republicans" did this same thing 100 times, she shakes

so?

you're hearing it now?

NO CBO!

NO TEXT WRITTEN!

THE 72 HOUR RULE!

IF IT'S NOT WRITTEN, COMPLETE AND ONLINE TOMORROW...

then obama's gonna have TO CANCEL ANOTHER TRIP!

LOL!

(there's no news in any of this, it's been clear all along---the NEWS is that roll call's calling it)

finally, ms p doesn't even know yet IF she actually is or is NOT gonna CRAM this CRAP

i mean, deem it

she's not even decisive on the deem

they don't know WHAT THE HELL they're doing

ALL can see THAT

and THEY'RE MAKING IT ALL UP ON A TUESDAY

as opposed to a WEDNESDAY

which for reform of this massive sway is beyond OFFENSIVE

why, it's downright condescending

JUST WHO THE HELL DO THESE IDIOTS THINK THEY ARE?

no wonder their phones are off the hook
 
God I hope Pelosi is gone next election. She has failed on so many levels and this is just one more notch.

I'm sadly pessimistic about the future of this countries leadership. With all these life long corrupt politicians things get screwed up no matter which party is in power
 
God I hope Pelosi is gone next election. She has failed on so many levels and this is just one more notch.

I'm sadly pessimistic about the future of this countries leadership. With all these life long corrupt politicians things get screwed up no matter which party is in power
I would vote for a conservative of any party who ran for congressional term limits at this point in time, provided they vote on good policy. I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
I've felt the pull of Anarchism in the last few years. I want to say that it's an emotional feeling, but I cant really support that in any intellectually honest way. The more we progress, the more I feel like we arent ready for this and we need to kick it over and start again when we're more mature and able to handle things with a more mature mindset.

Ah...anarchy...a wonderful concept. Let THAT sink in for a little bit...
 
I see...so...thou shalt walk lockstep in line with party...no room for independent thought...

Good lord...no wonder this country is so screwed up.

It's amazing.

The Republicans have practically made up a litmus test to enter their party, but how dare those democrats do everything they can to get this 1 key piece of legislation through. THEY'RE RUINING THE COUNTRY!

I have some problems with the way some things were done, I didn't like the bribes and I still hope that they'll get taken out (though I think the whole "behind closed doors" and ramming it down our throats crap is pure BS) but when you have a piece of legislation that will help the country as much as this one will and has been this long over due, you make every push you can.

In the world of politics, threatening to not campaign for someone if they don't vote for this bill just doesn't seem controversial at all to me like some people try to make it out to be.
 
It's amazing.

The Republicans have practically made up a litmus test to enter their party, but how dare those democrats do everything they can to get this 1 key piece of legislation through. THEY'RE RUINING THE COUNTRY!

I have some problems with the way some things were done, I didn't like the bribes and I still hope that they'll get taken out (though I think the whole "behind closed doors" and ramming it down our throats crap is pure BS) but when you have a piece of legislation that will help the country as much as this one will and has been this long over due, you make every push you can.

In the world of politics, threatening to not campaign for someone if they don't vote for this bill just doesn't seem controversial at all to me like some people try to make it out to be.




Article I | LII / Legal Information Institute




In order for a "Bill" to "become a Law," it "shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate" and be "presented to the President of the United States" for signature or veto. Unless a bill actually has "passed" both Houses, it cannot be presented to the president and cannot become a law.



this has nothing to do with Republican/democrat but constitutional law.
 
Article I | LII / Legal Information Institute




In order for a "Bill" to "become a Law," it "shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate" and be "presented to the President of the United States" for signature or veto. Unless a bill actually has "passed" both Houses, it cannot be presented to the president and cannot become a law.



this has nothing to do with Republican/democrat but constitutional law.

And there is a rule in the House where you can vote on a bill that also deems another bill to be passed. It's not a new rule. If anyone doesn't want it passed, then don't vote for it.

If they vote for a bill that passes another bill, does that mean that bill passed? Well, by definition, yes.

I haven't seen anyone actually give a reason as to why this can't be done. Just talking points on how they will pass it without a vote.

If you don't like how they do it then that's your problem.
 
And there is a rule in the House where you can vote on a bill that also deems another bill to be passed. It's not a new rule. If anyone doesn't want it passed, then don't vote for it.

If they vote for a bill that passes another bill, does that mean that bill passed? Well, by definition, yes.

I haven't seen anyone actually give a reason as to why this can't be done. Just talking points on how they will pass it without a vote.

If you don't like how they do it then that's your problem.



If I am a member of the house, who wants to vote "no" on this, where will my no vote be recorded as required as outlined in the US Constitution if they do this?
 
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