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Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

My point is... why split the land? Why not share it? How could you possibly split land that is considered holy to each side?
How can you make two hostile people share a land?

I find the former to be much easier than the latter.
I assume you see it in the opposite direction?
 
Then we should turn the whole lot into a nuclear disposal site.
And so you would just become the same nuclear disposal site.

How would that help anything?
There won't be 72 virgins not for me and not for you.
 
What parts of the criticism do you believe are valid? I think that your perspective will be a useful learning tool for some of the Israelis on the forum who believe that the U.S. should always support Israel in everything, no questions asked.

I think the valid parts have to deal with settlements in the West Bank. However, I think East Jerusalem is solely Israel's and should be recognized as that way. The US needs to see that the Palestinians are the largest blocker of peace, not the Israeli's. The Palestinians are far more stubborn and arrogant to budge, so the international community wants to push Israel to meet their negotiation standards. I don't think the US should blindly back Israel, but I also think we shouldn't cater to weakness and give in to Arab/Palestinian demands or push Israel to lowering their standards.
 
Then we should turn the whole lot into a nuclear disposal site. If they can't share, then no one gets it. Take the ball, go home.

the wisdom of solomon spoken there
 
I think the valid parts have to deal with settlements in the West Bank.

What do you believe Israel should be asked to do in the West Bank? What should we do if they don't start removing the questionable settlements?
 
What parts of the criticism do you believe are valid? I think that your perspective will be a useful learning tool for some of the Israelis on the forum who believe that the U.S. should always support Israel in everything, no questions asked.
Why are you saying that?
I for one completely agree with most of the things that digsbe says, including the entire of his first post in this thread.
So your analysis was quite wrong here.
 

Oh good lord, read your source material before you post it.

One mentions that some people(not Obama) posted anti0semitic crap on the board at his election website, another has nothing to do with Obama except to ask what he will do about anti-semitism(he gets mention in the first and last paragraph of that rather lengthy op-ed).
 
And so you would just become the same nuclear disposal site.

How would that help anything?
There won't be 72 virgins not for me and not for you.

Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!
 
barack hussein (it's his NAME) obama's veep, the affable, gaffe-able, laughable joe biden, got rudely FLIPPED OFF to his affable, gaffe-able, laughable FACE by our only reliable allies in the region

so the white house goes public, kvetching about this open, unambigous "insult"

bh obama promised to change america's image abroad

well, in this tiny corner of STILL the most strategic crossroads of the world, bh obama has succeeded

the israelis are coming to HATE him

ok, fine

so, what do we have to SHOW for all this SUCCESS?

WHERE'S THE RESULTS OF THE REACHOUT, bh?

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE IRAN VIA YOUR ADMIN'S MEETING WITH THEIR LEADERS?

wasn't the personal diplomacy with iran a CENTERPIECE of your pretty campaign?

what happened to this MAJOR PLANK of obamite foreign policy?

and just look how the CHATTERING CLASS have given bh a PASS on his preposterous pledge

NO ONE HOLDS HIM ACCOUNTABLE for completely DUMPING his reachout after being confronted with all of this UNCHANGED reality

it is what it is

OBAMA HAS NO FOREIGN POLICY, none

all that remains overseas is his ESCALATION in afghanistan

and the enemy he seeks, al qaeda, are mostly in PAKISTAN

pathetic

when's america's image abroad gonna change, bh?

for the BETTER, that is?
 
BBC News - Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

There was suspicion that Obama is a closet anti-Semite, he then reached out to the powerful Jewish community and they ended up rallying around him.

Now, Israeli/US relations are in the toilet. Is this because of Israeli actions alone, or is it because of the Muslim-loving US president, who has a dislike for Jews and Israel?

what a clever fellow, that guy, Obama

hiding his anti*semetism by hiring as his white house chief of staff a jew who aided the IDF during the '91 gulf war
 
What do you believe Israel should be asked to do in the West Bank? What should we do if they don't start removing the questionable settlements?

I think for the moment Israel should stop increasing settlements in the West Bank (a temporary freeze simply for the sake of peace). If they don't do that we should cut some funding, and if they refuse stop funding. Regardless, I think we need to here the Israeli argument first and understand why they wouldn't comply (if they don't). I think we should also be talking to the PLO and having them amend their charter, stop the terrorism, and stop the anti-semitic propaganda they push (especially in Gaza).

I stated my understanding of the history of Israel above. Feel free to correct me if I mis-stated.

Jarusalem and the surrounding area is considered holy to the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions... why should the Jews supersede all other religions?

I think the Jews would be more responsible with the holy sites. I am a Christian, and honestly those sites are not really holy to my religion, just sacred. It is more holy for the Jews over the Christians, and the Muslims really have less of a claim, it was Jewish first. Right now the Muslims have most of the sites under their control and this is what they do. With the Temple Mount only Muslims can pray, Jews and Christians are not allowed to murmur or speak out loud to God, prayer is specifically for Muslims only. Also, no Bibles, Tanakhs, crosses, Stars of David, or any non Muslim religious symbols may be on the mount. Basically others can visit, but only Muslims have rights, Jews have no rights on the site that is the holiest place in all Judaism. Plus we can see from history that the Muslims have desecrated Jewish sites (like Joseph's Tomb and other places). They have no respect for Judaism or Christianity and their policies and actions show that. The Muslims have Mecca, let the Jews have Jerusalem. I'm sure the Jews will be more sensible anyway over the current Muslim rulership.
 
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Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!

Wow... :doh

Someone doesn't understand the power of religious beliefs.
 
Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!
Why not just put it in la-la land, making the land completely unlivable for human life and sparing me the headache.
 
Why not just put it in la-la land, making the land completely unlivable for human life and sparing me the headache.

Because la-la land hasn't done anything like Israel to warrant the taking of all the land and kicking everyone out.
 
Because la-la land hasn't done anything like Israel to warrant the taking of all the land and kicking everyone out.
I'm sure that's La-La land's opinion on the subject.





:rofl
 
Whereas, I do find Israel lacking in their endless "sore-picking" behaviors, I also know that it really matters not what they conceed, allow, confiscate, annex, surrender, claim, barter, steal or attempt to negotiate.

The Palestinian's want them dead. Kaput. Off the continent. No matter what Isreal does, good or bad, it will take generations for the conditioned hatred for the Israelite to subside to a level where peace is even feasible.

How could Israel ever accept those terms?

I really think they should duke it out, once and for all. And the US, as well as any other nation, needs to keep their nose out of it.

I'm sick of these two little piss-ant states ****ing up the peace around the world.
 
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Whereas, I do find Israel lacking in their endless "sore-picking" behaviors, I also know that it really matters not what they conceed, allow, confiscate, annex, surrender, claim, barter, steal or attempt to negotiate.

The Palestinian's want them dead. Kaput. Off the continent. No matter what Isreal does, good or bad, it will take generations for the conditioned hatred for the Israelite to subside to a level where peace is eben feasible.

How could Israel ever accept those terms?

I really think they should duke it out, once and for all. And the US, as well as any other nation, needs to keep their nose out of it.

I'm sick of these two little piss-ant states ****ing up the peace around the world.

You mention that it will take generations for the hatred of the Israeli's to subside. Now i'm not one to judge the way a country defends itself, but from a purely humanitarian point of view, because of the disparity between Palistineans and Israeli's when the Palistinean lives at the bottom of the hill without running water and electricity, while just above them on the hill behind a massive Concrete wall is a brand new housing unit with all emminities.

That kind of disparity will foster hatred forever...
 
You mention that it will take generations for the hatred of the Israeli's to subside. Now i'm not one to judge the way a country defends itself, but from a purely humanitarian point of view, because of the disparity between Palistineans and Israeli's when the Palistinean lives at the bottom of the hill without running water and electricity, while just above them on the hill behind a massive Concrete wall is a brand new housing unit with all emminities.

That kind of disparity will foster hatred forever...

And the beat goes on......
 
I will never understand why the Jewish population or the Black population in this country vote democrat.....The democrats could give a **** less about them.....They make promises to them that they know they can't keep..They just want their vote, Now you have the Obama administration(God knows what he is) slamming Israel our best and really only ally in the ME. If the dems every lost the black and Jewish vote they would never win another national election.......
 
What the hell does that mean..............

That means I question whether his relationship with Israel is sincere.....I was listening to Michael Medved today and he says Obama has a 6% approval rating in Israel...........You do the math.........
 
That means I question whether his relationship with Israel is sincere.....I was listening to Michael Medved today and he says Obama has a 6% approval rating in Israel...........You do the math.........

The two things are not related. Further, Medved is hardly a reliable source.
 
The two things are not related. Further, Medved is hardly a reliable source.

Medved is a failed movie critic. Why is it that all of these right-wing information sources are all wacky radio rejects and entertainment news failures?
 
The chance to make Jerusalem a center for peace and tolerance is being passed up. Make it like a "Washington, DC." Not a part of any state but a center for all.

You do realize of course that DC has been a leader in the murder rate in America year in and year out...right?
 
The two things are not related. Further, Medved is hardly a reliable source.

Maybe they are not related to you but they sure as hell are to me........Since Hussein Obama has been president our relationship with Israwl has gone to hell in a handbasket........You love Obama so you would never question anything about this at worse Socialist and at worse Jew hater........

This guy is destroying the USA....

As far as Medved goes, if you even know who he is, he is a hell of a lot more credible then Hussein Obama..........
 
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