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Pay raise sought for bilingual fed workers

jamesrage

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Federal workers should not get a pay raise for being bi-lingual.It does not encourage immigrants and illegals to learn English.


Washington Times - Pay raise sought for bilingual fed workers

A key member of Congress says federal workers should be paid more for using their bilingual skills at work, and he's introduced a bill to boost those folks' pay by 5 percent.

Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, said those bilingual workers deserve to be rewarded for their extra skills - something the government doesn't regularly do right now.

"I understand the difficulties that immigrants face communicating in English while they acquire fluency," Mr. Honda said. "The bill addresses these challenges by promoting the use of bilingual skills throughout the federal work force in order to better serve the public and accomplish the mission of federal agencies."

It's unclear whether the bill will get any traction, particularly with Congress working on so many other issues, though it could pop up as part of a broader immigration debate.

Mr. Honda's bill would boost a federal employee's base pay by 5 percent if he or she is required to use languages other than English at work, but who get paid the same as other federal workers who hold similar jobs but do not have bilingual skills.

K.C. McAlpin, executive director of ProEnglish, said the bill amounts to taxpayers subsidizing multilingual government. He said polls repeatedly show Americans oppose that and instead want English to be the official language.

"At a time when the federal government has racked up a $12.5 trillion debt, Rep. Honda's legislation has to rank as one of the most irresponsible bills ever introduced in Congress," he said.
 
I agree. Federal workers should not get a pay raise for being bilingual.

As I tell people, english is my second language. I don't have a first.
 
Mr. Honda's bill would boost a federal employee's base pay by 5 percent if he or she is required to use languages other than English at work, but who get paid the same as other federal workers who hold similar jobs but do not have bilingual skills.
If the job requires it, I can see paying more for someone who can better fill the role (i.e. is more versatile than an employee without the skill).

I see "encouraging immigrants and illegals to learn English" as a separate issue.
 
No, clearly individuals with a more valuable skillset should not get paid more. :roll:
 
I agree. Federal workers should not get a pay raise for being bilingual.

Why?

As I tell people, english is my second language. I don't have a first.

When you tell people that, do they looked puzzled?:confused::confused: A "What the hell does that even mean?"-type look?
 
These bilingual perverts mustn't be rewarded for their deviance! :roll:
 
Yeah, if someone knows C++, Java and HTML, why should they be paid more just because they know some useful languages that increase their productivity?:roll:
 
Yeah, if someone knows C++, Java and HTML, why should they be paid more just because they know some useful languages that increase their productivity?:roll:

If you know C++ it wont help be a mechanic.

Yes if being Bi-Lingual helps in your particular field (Law enforcement, intelligence,diplomat etc) then you should be paid more. If not it should not affect your pay, cause it wont affect your performance.
 
If you know C++ it wont help be a mechanic.

Unless there is a problem with your car's software... Which happens more often than you might think these days.
Yes if being Bi-Lingual helps in your particular field (Law enforcement, intelligence,diplomat etc) then you should be paid more. If not it should not affect your pay, cause it wont affect your performance.

Did your read the article? We are talking about increasing pay for people who use bilingual skills at work.

A key member of Congress says federal workers should be paid more for using their bilingual skills at work, and he's introduced a bill to boost those folks' pay by 5 percent.
 
Unless there is a problem with your car's software... Which happens more often than you might think these days.

It wouldnt be written in C++, and mechanics wouldnt have the capability to play with the code.

Did your read the article? We are talking about increasing pay for people who use bilingual skills at work

I did, and I am defending that.
 
If the job requires it, then classifiers would have it rated at a higher GS level than a similar job that does not require bilingual. If the job does not require it and one employee is bilingual, good for them. It should not result in a higher pay.

Wonder if the Bill established the bilingual capability should be match to the pubic they are working with. What good would being bilingual in Arizona if the second language is swedish? I worked for a Federal agency in the SW for over 20 years. Never heard for the need of a swedish interpreter.
 
Federal workers should not get a pay raise for being bi-lingual.It does not encourage immigrants and illegals to learn English.


Washington Times - Pay raise sought for bilingual fed workers

A key member of Congress says federal workers should be paid more for using their bilingual skills at work, and he's introduced a bill to boost those folks' pay by 5 percent.

Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, said those bilingual workers deserve to be rewarded for their extra skills - something the government doesn't regularly do right now.

"I understand the difficulties that immigrants face communicating in English while they acquire fluency," Mr. Honda said. "The bill addresses these challenges by promoting the use of bilingual skills throughout the federal work force in order to better serve the public and accomplish the mission of federal agencies."

It's unclear whether the bill will get any traction, particularly with Congress working on so many other issues, though it could pop up as part of a broader immigration debate.

Mr. Honda's bill would boost a federal employee's base pay by 5 percent if he or she is required to use languages other than English at work, but who get paid the same as other federal workers who hold similar jobs but do not have bilingual skills.

K.C. McAlpin, executive director of ProEnglish, said the bill amounts to taxpayers subsidizing multilingual government. He said polls repeatedly show Americans oppose that and instead want English to be the official language.

"At a time when the federal government has racked up a $12.5 trillion debt, Rep. Honda's legislation has to rank as one of the most irresponsible bills ever introduced in Congress," he said.

In my city, firefighters, police officers, hospital workers, and educators all receive extra pay for bilingualism.
It helps them do their jobs better.
Their jobs are to serve the public, and much of "the public" where I live doesn't speak any English, making it difficult for those who speak no Spanish to serve them.

I'm all for bilingual pay raises.
Bilingual civil servants save lives that would be lost if nobody spoke anything but English.
 
There are some who consider the lives of non English-speakers as having less value.
 
There are some who consider the lives of non English-speakers as having less value.

I'm willing to wager there's no firefighter anywhere who considers it a positive thing when nobody can understand a guy who is trying to say, "My two-year-old is still trapped in the back bedroom."
 
I'm willing to wager there's no firefighter anywhere who considers it a positive thing when nobody can understand a guy who is trying to say, "My two-year-old is still trapped in the back bedroom."

Well its not the firefighters responsibilty to communicate in any other language then English. If the immigrants want to live normal lives they should get to learning our language, not the other way around.
 
Well its not the firefighters responsibilty to communicate in any other language then English. If the immigrants want to live normal lives they should get to learning our language, not the other way around.

Fortunately, that's not how they feel.
It's their responsibility to save as many lives as they can.
That's why they risk theirs daily.
That's why they take Spanish classes and learn to communicate with members of the community they serve.
And that's why they get pay raises for doing so: because their communities appreciate the effort.
 
Fortunately, that's not how they feel.
It's their responsibility to save as many lives as they can.
That's why they risk theirs daily.
That's why they take Spanish classes and learn to communicate with members of the community they serve.
And that's why they get pay raises for doing so: because their communities appreciate the effort.

So you speak for firefighters now?


As far as "communities" they better start learning english if they want to recieve equal opportunity and service. I wont and the majority wont accept paying more to enable these people. Why the hell should we learn their language, when they are the immigrants (Hopefully legal ones).
 
So you speak for firefighters now?

I feel confident in doing so.
I have friends who are firefighters and are involved in bilingual education, and we've discussed this exact issue a number of times.
That is why I'm using firefighters as an example.
I'm sure (at least I hope) cops and hospital personnel feel similarly, but I don't personally know any at the moment.
 
I feel confident in doing so.
I have friends who are firefighters and are involved in bilingual, and we've discussed this exact issue a number of times.

Oh great the old my friend debate strategy. Well my friends who are firefighters think multiple families living in illegal apartments risk everyones lives, especially that they cannot communicate to the emergency responders who come to help if something happens. It is far more rational to expect people who move to the US to learn our language, rather then Americans learning particular languages to be able to function in these liberal inspired ethinic ghettos.

That is why I'm using firefighters as an example.
I'm sure (at least I hope) cops and hospital personnel feel similarly, but I don't personally know any at the moment.

So you base your opinions from anecdotal evidence I take it?
 
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