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Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

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Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance - Yahoo! News


By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Terence Chea, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 18 mins ago


SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."
 
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Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance - Yahoo! News


By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Terence Chea, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 18 mins ago


SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."
Sorry NP, but I had to change it, because as you are aware, "good" is subjective.

Edit: Plus, I got to use this cool stikethrough code...
 
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Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!
 
Good guys....HA.

I don't have a problem with the "under God" part of the Allegiance even though it wasn't inserted into the pledge till much later. But I do think that the majority opinion that the Pledge is somehow a uniting force is complete BS. It's a dumb ass thing you have to say as a kid and if you really analyze it is rather fascist. I don't pledge allegiance to the flag. The government damned well pledge allegiance to me and hold up my rights; otherwise it's my right and duty to get rid of it.
 
Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!
If "under god" in the pledge is indoctrination, it sure is a piss poor one. Even the UK, which is way more liberal than us, sings "God save the Queen." They get 4 versus of that, we only get 2 words in our pledge....yea, we are soooo indoctrinating people. :rolleyes:
 
Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!

Using the term "God" is not distinct to Christianity, nor was the name Jesus, or any other Biblical figure used in our founding documents.:roll:
 
Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!

Because the pledge specifically notes "Under our Christian god," or because Christians are the only ones who believe in god?
 
The guy who brought this suit is a clown seeking attention. The Court ought to make him pay for all the money wasted in this charade. Bankrupt the fool and that will put an end to him being an attention-whore
 
Using the term "God" is not distinct to Christianity, nor was the name Jesus, or any other Biblical figure used in our founding documents.:roll:

Name one Biblical figure used in our founding documents.
 
One for the good guys!!!!!!!



Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance - Yahoo! News


By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Terence Chea, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 18 mins ago


SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."

Did you know that "under God" was not added to the pledge until the 1950's?
 
Although the phrase has no reason for existing and probably should be removed, its so completely irrelevant that it isn't worth the time or money to fight for it. If there comes a day where the worst intersection of government and religion is the pledge, I would ask for it to be struck down, but until that day there are other issues that actually matter to focus on.
 
Only people who crave attention would put up a fight against something like this.

Offended by "under God"? Really? Get a life.

Who sits around and thinks up this ****?
 
Couldn't care if it's in our Pledge or not, to be honest. I never say the pledge of allegiance anyway, so folks can throw in Zeus, Shiva, Kthulu, God, or some other mythical deity as far as i'm concerned. If it were up to me, i'd replace 'one nation, under god' with 'one nation, prepared to fend off the inevitable zombie apocalypse to the last man, woman, and child' because let's be honest, that just sounds much cooler.

Nor do I care if 'in god we trust' is on my dollah-dollah bills. The strippers don't seem to mind it when I make it rain, and so far nobody has turned me down for alcohol on sundays simply because my cash has the christian deity's name emblazoned on it, so everything is all good. So if it's important to you christian types to have the word 'god' decorating our cash, then so be it.
 
It is hard to believe some of the comments posted. I know my grandparents and father if they were alive would be shaking their heads.

I remember Red Skelton show growing up. He had a good take on the Pledge.

[ame="http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/142856/1202344"]Red Skelton In The Pledge Of Allegiance on Yahoo! Video[/ame]

I just don't understand what is so objectionable.
 
Only people who crave attention would put up a fight against something like this.

Offended by "under God"? Really? Get a life.

Who sits around and thinks up this ****?

Well considering one of our governments founding principles is separation of church and state and the phrase seems to acknowledge that we serve a particular god named "God". You can pretend all you want that it doesn't refer to the "god" of abraham all you want. Its actually an important issue to many of us who consider ourselves outside of the homogenized christian community.

Even the UK, which is way more liberal than us, sings "God save the Queen." They get 4 versus of that, we only get 2 words in our pledge....yea, we are soooo indoctrinating people.

Last I remembered britain has an official church and a monarch. So I don't see how the two compare.
 
Only people who crave attention would put up a fight against something like this.

Offended by "under God"? Really? Get a life.

Who sits around and thinks up this ****?

Let me put it this way - If God offends him so much, he should give me all his money. I will gladly accept it. :mrgreen:
 
Honestly this is one of the things I could careless about. It doesn't bother me if kids have to say it or not because I know why under God is in the pledge.
 
Well considering one of our governments founding principles is separation of church and state and the phrase seems to acknowledge that we serve a particular god named "God". You can pretend all you want that it doesn't refer to the "god" of abraham all you want. Its actually an important issue to many of us who consider ourselves outside of the homogenized christian community.



Last I remembered britain has an official church and a monarch. So I don't see how the two compare.

There are real things to worry about with with the "separation of church and state", real areas where we inch into trouble and may need to make a case that things should not be done due to that separation. This however, is not one of those cases. Sometimes you have to sit back and admit that something is just harmless and let it go. Making a case about things like this just make it harder when there is a real issue.

I don't believe in god, but I am certainly not worried about either the pledge of allegiance, nor what it says on my money(outside of the denomination amount). Let's save out efforts for where it matters.
 
One for the good guys!!!!!!!



Court upholds 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance - Yahoo! News


By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Terence Chea, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 18 mins ago


SAN FRANCISCO – A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments on Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who claimed the references to God disrespect his religious beliefs.

"The Pledge is constitutional," Judge Carlos Bea wrote for the majority in the 2-1 ruling. "The Pledge of Allegiance serves to unite our vast nation through the proud recitation of some of the ideals upon which our Republic was founded."

A sanfrancisco appeals court ruling like this almost sounds like some Bizarro world stuff. I think Newdow is pissed his wife left him and that is why he holds a grudge against something he allegedly views as imaginary.
 
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If "under god" in the pledge is indoctrination, it sure is a piss poor one. Even the UK, which is way more liberal than us, sings "God save the Queen." They get 4 versus of that, we only get 2 words in our pledge....yea, we are soooo indoctrinating people. :rolleyes:

They have to sing that so the queen will stay alive another 90 years :2razz:
 
Because the pledge specifically notes "Under our Christian god," or because Christians are the only ones who believe in god?

By using the capitalized "God" you actually are referring to a specific god - the Christian god.

Note: Capitalize God only when it refers to the Christian God; also capitalize all nouns and personal pronouns when they refer to God.
Capitalization

Remember, if a word refers to God, it must be capitalized!
The Holy Observer: THO Guide to Christian Capitalization

Also the fact that the whole reason for adding "under God" in 1954 was spiritual / religions as well as political - during the Red Scare it was added to separate ourselves from the "godless" communists:

"acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon … the Creator … [and] deny the atheistic and materialistic concept of communism."
"Under God"--A Product of the 1950's Red Scare


Me thinks those quick to dismiss this as nonsensical need to read a bit more between the lines.
 
Indoctrination is ok when it's christians doing it!
I can't tell you how many innocent little atheists have succumbed to Christianity because they found themselves reciting the pledge in grade school.

Wait, yes I can... none!:roll:
 
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