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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

You think this is normal behavior?

Yes it is normal behavior. And it is not illegal.

I noticed you couldn't differentiate b/w a goof off game, meant not to be taken seriously, and someone who dresses that way intentionally.

I can differentiate just fine. However, I don't see how kids "goofing off" by dressing as the opposite sex is any less "deviant" than someone who is doing it because they feel more comfortable in those clothes or they are trying to make a statement.

How did we get to this again? You can't debate the actual issue here, so you try to compare it to segregation?:rofl

This is part of the issue. You specifically mentioned that the parents would be uncomfortable with her because of her choice of date and/or clothing. I say that it doesn't matter, because a school cannot discriminate against someone for either their sexuality or their gender, any more than you can their race or their religion. It doesn't matter if the parents or the legal guardians don't agree with the behavior.

I don't think telling a girl to dress approriately is against the law. I mean, if you have to tell some girl to leave b/c she is wearing boy clothes for the sake of drawing attention to yourself at a public function then the situation isn't going to end pretty for the girl. Common decency still has its place in a civilized society.

They weren't telling her to dress appropriately, they were telling her to dress like a girl, which is gender discrimination. Especially when women/girls have been allowed to wear dresses, even at school for some 50 or 60 years now. And, it is legal for men/boys to wear dresses if they want to. It is not the school's place to restrict someone's apparel because of their gender, unless it can legitimately be seen to be causing a distraction or disturbance to actual learning.

You can't expect people to accept freaks walking around in all aspects of life.

What does and does not constitute a "freak" is subjective. And I can absolutely expect them to tolerate and accept that it is legal for a man to dress as a woman and a woman to dress as a man. I personally think those people that walk around with their little dogs in their purses are kinda freaky, but I have to accept them.
 
I mean, can you IMAGINE a woman in a tux? I mean, what if there were actually companies that specialized in tuxedos for women? How ****ing insane would that be? Can you imagine??

No a girl in a tux does not look that bad. However the discussion to me would involve everyone dressing in drag.
Not just a girl and a tux by the boy and a dress.
If it was to a private party that's fine. But not a public prom
 

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No a girl in a tux does not look that bad. However the discussion to me would involve everyone dressing in drag.
Not just a girl and a tux by the boy and a dress.
If it was to a private party that's fine. But not a public prom

Do you have a never ending supply of drag fetish imagery or something?
 
No a girl in a tux does not look that bad. However the discussion to me would involve everyone dressing in drag.
Not just a girl and a tux by the boy and a dress.
If it was to a private party that's fine. But not a public prom

I think if Pakistan, of all places, can accept a cross-dressing talk show host, then certainly us, the United States of America, can accept cross-dressing students and cross-dressers in general. We are supposed to be the home of the free.

Cross-Dressing Talk Show Host - ABC News

And, actually, it's the other way around. A private party has absolutely every right to discriminate who they allow into their party, a school does not when it comes to their students at prom. And a school cannot discriminate against their students based on their gender, no matter how uncomfortable someone may be with it. The students do not have a right to not be uncomfortable, if they can't handle the presence of a cross-dresser then they are the ones that maybe shouldn't be there. Maybe their parents can organize a prom just for them, then they wouldn't have to invite the cross-dresser.
 
I think it speaks more to your interests since it has zero to do with this thread. :shrug:

I think you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself this thread is about cross-dressing and going to the prom.
 
I think you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself this thread is about cross-dressing and going to the prom.

No this thread has more to do with teens being nonconformist in something as cliche` as dress attire.

It's actually more about administrators losing sight of their job and getting into pissing contests with teenagers over that nonconformity.
 
The students do not have a right to not be uncomfortable, if they can't handle the presence of a cross-dresser then they are the ones that maybe shouldn't be there. Maybe their parents can organize a prom just for them, then they wouldn't have to invite the cross-dresser.

you go from one point of the right to cross-dressing as if it's normal for a public place. But the students have no right to be on comfortable.
 
Well it is kind of what the school administration was going for; Shaming her into giving up her dignity as a human being by making her the object of her peers' resentments. That's why they just cancelled the prom altogether. It wasn't about distractions, etc...it was about adults letting their need to win a pissing contest eclipse their good sense.

I dont know. Maybe it just wasnt worth the hassle.
 
No we don't. We need to teach children that America is where the freedom of the individual comes first, and to stand up to authority when it interferes with that. Don't you agree?

And also the freedom to say no when someone tries to force their views upon you. It should not be a one way street.
 
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I dont know. Maybe it just wasnt worth the hassle.

If it wasn't worth the hassle, they would have just carried on with the prom. This was a calculation to use her peers to force her into submission by making her, specifically, the object of their resentment.
 
I doubt they are that calculating and smart. Too lazy to deal with it seems to be a better answer.

You don't think there was a certain smug satisfaction in knowing that the whole school could now blame her for there being no prom?
 
You don't think there was a certain smug satisfaction in knowing that the whole school could now blame her for there being no prom?

More like a relief its over and they can focus on more important issues like education. They should anyway.

It was a party....


What baffles me is why she would even ask or seek their permission. Just show up and go for it.
 
And also the freedom to say no when someone tries to force their views upon you. It should not be a one way street.

What was the girl forcing on others?
 
More like a relief its over and they can focus on more important issues like education. They should anyway.

It was a party....


What baffles me is why she would even ask or seek their permission. Just show up and go for it.

That is an excellent point......;)
 
What baffles me is why she would even ask or seek their permission. Just show up and go for it.

That's kinda what I thought. At that stage of life for me, I already understood how it was far better to beg forgiveness than to ask persmission.
 
What was the girl forcing on others?

The school board to give permission,acknowledge, or deny her lifestyle.


She probably would have just had a great time showing up dancing and taking pictures. By rubbing it in their faces they were forced to make a move good, bad, ugly, or just give up and go home as was the case.
 
The school board to give permission,acknowledge, or deny her lifestyle.


She probably would have just had a great time showing up dancing and taking pictures. By rubbing it in their faces they were forced to make a move good, bad, ugly, or just give up and go home as was the case.

I still think their choice of action was motivated by the fact that they knew it was a pissing contest they couldn't win and so they childishly did as much damage to everyone as possible as a means to "get back" at her.
 
I still think their choice of action was motivated by the fact that they knew it was a pissing contest they couldn't win and so they childishly did as much damage to everyone as possible as a means to "get back" at her.

Could be. To me the simplest answer seems best without knowing anyone personally. I vote too lazy to deal with it and too scared to make a public stand one way or the other. Recall the public crucifixion of a beauty contestant when she "spoke her mind" about a loaded question. Talk to her about freedom of speech and the true cost.
 
Could be. To me the simplest answer seems best without knowing anyone personally. I vote too lazy to deal with it and too scared to make a public stand one way or the other. Recall the public crucifixion of a beauty contestant when she "spoke her mind" about a loaded question. Talk to her about freedom of speech and the true cost.

Oh they did absolutely crucify that girl. But to be honest, I don't think it was very smart for someone with that many little skeletons in the closet to be taking controversial stands on the grounds of morality. :shrug:
 
That's kinda what I thought. At that stage of life for me, I already understood how it was far better to beg forgiveness than to ask persmission.

The kids were all given a flyer stipulating rules for the prom, one of which was that your date had to be of the opposite sex. Girls and boys were also giving a different set of dress code rules to follow.

She wasn't asking permission out of the blue, she was responding to discrimination instructions that she had been given.
 
The school board to give permission,acknowledge, or deny her lifestyle.


She probably would have just had a great time showing up dancing and taking pictures. By rubbing it in their faces they were forced to make a move good, bad, ugly, or just give up and go home as was the case.

I am sure that is what she would have done had the school not explicitly told her she couldn't. Rather than act in direct defiance of the rules, she went through the proper channels to try and get the rules changed. How is that a bad thing?
 
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