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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

texmaster said:
I'm not trying to change the law, you are. The burden is on you.



Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You want to change the law, you must support your position to change it. You can't yet you want everyone else to be forced to accept your opinion in law.
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I did not know school boards made laws...
 
TheNextEra said:
Genetics is not required to be proven for anti-discrimination laws towards gays to be put into effect.
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Certainly not, and I fail to see the relevance of this tack.
No one here (or anyone else, for that matter) has yet been able to prove that either homosexuality or homosexuality are (or are not) "genetic".

Neither is fundamentalist Christianity or Buddhism, but we're still not allowed to discriminate against those segments of our population.
 
1069 said:
Certainly not, and I fail to see the relevance of this tack.
No one here (or anyone else, for that matter) has yet been able to prove that either homosexuality or homosexuality are (or are not) "genetic".

Neither is fundamentalist Christianity or Buddhism, but we're still not allowed to discriminate against those segments of our population.
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The genetics thing is a red herring, to distract from the fact that Texmaster has no case. He is the only one to bring it up in this thread, along with Hitler, and I think he is the only one to bring up pedophilia into this thread. None of it is at all relevant to the question of the school boards actions.
 
texmaster said:
It doesn't. Please read the point I was addressing with the other person.
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I failed to see any point. It was stated that heterosexuals force us to accept them and you stated something about it being genetic. So... what WAS the point, exactly? What does genetics have to do with them forcing me to accept them by way of being forced to witness their PDAs?
 
Actually, the evidence indicates that homosexuality is epigenic, not genetic. During fetal development, as the brain is developing it can be influence by hormones and antibodies that alter its structure. There is strong statistical evidence that for every older brother a man has, the more likely they are to be gay. Furthermore, the female siblings of gay men are shown to have higher fertility rates. Finally, a recent study demonstrated that gay men are likely to invest great emotional and financial support into their nieces and nephews. All this evidence together supports the "gay uncle" theory of homosexuality, which argues that homosexuality is supported evolutionarily by gay men supporting the genes of their siblings (via protecting and nurturing their sibling's offspring) and that the cut off exists as a sort of population control whereby one set of genes will not dominate a tribe.
 
Actually, the evidence indicates that homosexuality is epigenic, not genetic. During fetal development, as the brain is developing it can be influence by hormones and antibodies that alter its structure. There is strong statistical evidence that for every older brother a man has, the more likely they are to be gay.
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I have seen studies that seem to indicate birth order plays a role in sexual orientation.
Eldest male children are rarely gay. Second or youngest male children are statistically more likely to be gay.
I don't think these studies even examined the role of birth order in female homosexuality, and I'm not sure they prove anything; correlation doesn't equal causation.
I'm especially not sure they point to an epigenetic root cause; the cause could as easily be purely cultural/environmental.

Not that any of that has anything to do with the issue at hand, which is discrimination.
 
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1069 said:
I have seen studies that seem to indicate birth order plays a role in sexual orientation.
Eldest male children are rarely gay. Second or youngest male children are statistically more likely to be gay.
I don't think these studies even examined the role of birth order in female homosexuality, and I'm not sure they prove anything; correlation doesn't equal causation.
I'm especially not sure they point to an epigenetic root cause; the cause could as easily be purely cultural/environmental.
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The problem with the purely "cultural/environmental" argument is the fact that gay people emerge from just about every culture, including socially conservative, Christian homes. I saw enough homeless, gay kids in Utah to convince me that cultural explanations for homosexuality are far from sufficient.
 
1069 said:
I have seen studies that seem to indicate birth order plays a role in sexual orientation.
Eldest male children are rarely gay. Second or youngest male children are statistically more likely to be gay.
I don't think these studies even examined the role of birth order in female homosexuality, and I'm not sure they prove anything; correlation doesn't equal causation.
I'm especially not sure they point to an epigenetic root cause; the cause could as easily be purely cultural/environmental.

Not that any of that has anything to do with the issue at hand, which is discrimination.
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There is also evidence that homosexual orientation may be matrilinear, following the female line. My family is a statistic that supports it. It's far from conclusive, but there is such evidence, which I have linked before.
 
Furthermore, the female siblings of gay men are shown to have higher fertility rates. Finally, a recent study demonstrated that gay men are likely to invest great emotional and financial support into their nieces and nephews.
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Perhaps.
Anecdotally speaking, it does seem like just about everybody I know has at least one gay uncle; a sort of "fairy godfather" they go to for money when their parents refuse their requests for loans. :lol:
 
Redress said:
There is also evidence that homosexual orientation may be matrilinear, following the female line. My family is a statistic that supports it. It's far from conclusive, but there is such evidence, which I have linked before.
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That's interesting. If you'd post some links here or start a new thread, i'd be interested to see that.
 
rivrrat said:
I failed to see any point. It was stated that heterosexuals force us to accept them and you stated something about it being genetic. So... what WAS the point, exactly? What does genetics have to do with them forcing me to accept them by way of being forced to witness their PDAs?
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Look, nobody wants to see heterosexual PDA's either.
 
Deuce said:
Look, nobody wants to see heterosexual PDA's either.
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Yet nobody is passing laws to forbid them, and public schools are actively encouraging them by holding dances where the entire purpose is for heterosexual teenage couples to dance together.
 
Navy Pride said:
Why should straights be tolerant of gays when gays are not tolerate of straights?
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Aw, what's wrong, Navy?
Did those cranky old lesbians steal your markers at the Bingo Hall again? :(
 
Navy Pride said:
Why should straights be tolerant of gays when gays are not tolerate of straights?
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You'll have to show where a prom sponsored by gays didn't allow straights to attend. Until then, you have nothing.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Just like heterosexuals constantly flaunt their lifestyle in everyone's face every single day in society via movies, television, music, etc.? :roll:
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I am tired of saying it: Read some of the ****ing posts I made OK......Jesus Christ talk about thick..........:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
Why should straights be tolerant of gays when gays are not tolerate of straights?
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, gays and straights have been getting along for years...

I think you're not seeing the bigger picture... Gay, Straight, Bi-Sexual-- nobody cares for hateful bigots and ignorant people.

Intolerance is not a personal belief... It's fear and ignorance.
 
Partisan said:
So, you are for indecent exposure in public?.....;)
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I don't necessarily SUPPORT your indecent opinions being exposed in public, but I will certainly defend your right to expose them.
 
Groucho said:
No, it's exactly the same. People don't choose to be gay or black, and bigots do everything they can to discriminate against them.

And, just to let you know, "Nuh uh it isn't" generally is not considered a winning strategy in debate. If you disagree with my statement, explain why. And try not to base your answer on religious doctrine from 2000 years ago or discredited science.
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Some do chose to be gay.....There are documented cases of them doing so that have been posted here in DP a thousand times.........You don't chose to be black........A race of people and a class of people there is a huge difference........
 
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