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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap

Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
You can't be an attention whore so you're going to **** it up for everyone else, aye?
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Who did she **** with?

She tried to get a rule changed, and the school completely and utterly over reacted and canceled prom rather than deal with it.

NO ONE in their right mind or of reasonable thinking that someone going "Please make it allowable for me to go to prom with my date" would equal "OMG WE'RE CANCELLING PROM".

This is like asking if you can cross the street at a non-crosswalk and in response having the police beat you over the side of the head with a club. The reaction was no where near proportional to the cause.

I care less about gay rights as a result of these little girl's actions.
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Well, I'm glad you could care less about gay rights. I honestly thought it would be impossible that you could possibly care less since it seemed like you didn't care about gay rights at all. I'm glad to know that this action actually made you care more for gay rights, since you can now care less for it then you could previously.
 
texmaster said:
Isn't she under 18? So by your own claim how could she decide for herself she is a lesbian? 0 She wasn't under 18. Please do the assigned reading next time.
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As I've said multiple times and directly to you, she had every intention of breaking the law or she never would have asked the ACLU to try and circumvent it. 0

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If she were intending to break the rules, she would have shown up to the prom in a tux, with her girlfriend. Even if she had, she still wouldn't have been breaking the LAW. Please review the difference between law, and school policy before next class.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Zyphlin said:
Who did she **** with?

She tried to get a rule changed, and the school completely and utterly over reacted and canceled prom rather than deal with it.

NO ONE in their right mind or of reasonable thinking that someone going "Please make it allowable for me to go to prom with my date" would equal "OMG WE'RE CANCELLING PROM".

This is like asking if you can cross the street at a non-crosswalk and in response having the police beat you over the side of the head with a club. The reaction was no where near proportional to the cause.



Well, I'm glad you could care less about gay rights. I honestly thought it would be impossible that you could possibly care less since it seemed like you didn't care about gay rights at all. I'm glad to know that this action actually made you care more for gay rights, since you can now care less for it then you could previously.
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Not going to a prom = police brutality....Vauge needs to verify Zyphlin's account security because that doesn't sound like something a man would say. I suspect Zyphlin's mother, sister, girlfriend or similar is using Zyphlin's computer to post here.
 
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Jerry said:
Not going to a prom = police brutality....Vauge needs to verify Zyphlin's account security because that doesn't sound like something a man would say. I suspect Zyphlin's mother, sister, girlfriend or similar is using Zyphlin's computer to post here.
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Let me go SAT on your ass....

Shutting down a schools entire prom because a Lesbian tried to go to it with her girlfriend IS TO over reaction on the part of the school

AS

Beating someone with a club for asking if they can jay walk IS TO over reaction on the part of a police officer

Someone performing an action, any action, and getting a consequence to that action that is GROSSLY inconsistence with the level of action causing it had no reason to expect that such a hugely inconsistent consequence would come about.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
Not going to a prom = police brutality....Vauge needs to verify Zyphlin's account security because that doesn't sound like something a man would say. I suspect Zyphlin's mother, sister, girlfriend or similar is using Zyphlin's computer to post here.
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She might even be wearing manly clothes while doing so! Quick, someone notify the board of the Itawamba County School District!

:roll:
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
Not going to a prom = police brutality....Vauge needs to verify Zyphlin's account security because that doesn't sound like something a man would say. I suspect Zyphlin's mother, sister, girlfriend or similar is using Zyphlin's computer to post here.
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Says the guy who calls some one trying to change the rules within the system an "attention whore", and claims to "care less" about gay rights as a result of some one working within the rules to make a change she cares about.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Zyphlin said:
Let me go SAT on your ass....

Shutting down a schools entire prom because a Lesbian tried to go to it with her girlfriend IS TO over reaction on the part of the school

AS

Beating someone with a club for asking if they can jay walk IS TO over reaction on the part of a police officer

Someone performing an action, any action, and getting a consequence to that action that is GROSSLY inconsistence with the level of action causing it had no reason to expect that such a hugely inconsistent consequence would come about.
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............................... :rofl
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Redress said:
Says the guy who calls some one trying to change the rules within the system an "attention whore", and claims to "care less" about gay rights as a result of some one working within the rules to make a change she cares about.
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Hey Look:

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Here's four examples of Jerry attempting to get rules to be changed.

He must be an "attention whore" by his logic, right?
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Redress said:
Says the guy who calls some one trying to change the rules within the system an "attention whore", and claims to "care less" about gay rights as a result of some one working within the rules to make a change she cares about.
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If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Zyphlin said:
Hey Look:

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Here's four examples of Jerry attempting to get rules to be changed.

He must be an "attention whore" by his logic, right?
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If Vauge stepped in and said "you have to give Jerry those poll options", and you responded by shutting down the poll forum, I would back off so the polls could re-open....especially upon receiving PMs from pissed off members.

Fighting over reaction with over reaction only makes matters worse.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
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Few problems to that:

1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.

Not to mention that:

1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.

This is solely the schools fault. If they were in the right with this rule then they could just say "we're not changing it, if you want to sue sue, you'll lose" and could have the prom. If they know they're not in the right and they'd lose then they're trying to circumvent having to actually follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school. If they're unsure as to whether they'd win or not, they are still trying to potentially circumvent having to follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school.

It should be the school buckling, not the kid.
 
Having just read the article, two thoughts. Firstly, the school is obviously being ridiculously bigoted and hiding behind the term "educational distraction". This is the prom. It is not an educational endeavor. Secondly, there are plenty of kids who go to the prom with dates of the same sex as friends when they don't have an actual date... just so they can go, so again, this is bigotry by the school board against gays, and again it is no educational distraction. My only issue with the girl is that the tuxedo DOES create some undo attention to this issue, though I have known males to wear kilts to prom, so although I don't think that was a great choice, it still is no reason for the school's reaction.

The responsibility of cancelling the prom is completely on the school and their values, and is not the student's responsibility at all.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If Vauge stepped in and said "you have to give Jerry those poll options", and you responded by shutting down the poll forum, I would back off so the polls could re-open....especially upon receiving PMs from pissed off members.

Fighting over reaction with over reaction only makes matters worse.
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Jerry... you DO NOT want to go here.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
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I somehow doubt you would do that, and not be instead incensed that the school was trying to make you a villain. Of course, this is unprovable, but I am fairly confident of that.

She should not be in a position such as this. She did nothing wrong, the school overreacted. There is no reason she should be punished for doing nothing wrong.

You called her an attention whore for daring to ask for a change to rules. Are you backing away from that now and admitting that was a huge overreaction on your part?
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If Vauge stepped in and said "you have to give Jerry those poll options", and you responded by shutting down the poll forum, I would back off so the polls could re-open....especially upon receiving PMs from pissed off members.

Fighting over reaction with over reaction only makes matters worse.
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I would hope then that Vauge would fire my ass for gross incompetence and extreme over reaction in an effort to circumvent the rules.

However a better example would be knowing its likely that Vauge would side with you and tell us we had to do it and thus removing polls as a pre-emptive measure.

In that case, I'd hope you wouldn't back down on doing what you thought was right simply because the mod team completely and utterly over reacted and thus essentially allowing the mod team to win by being vindictive authoritarian ****s.

All you'd do is essentially send a message to the membership, and to the mods, that they can just completely and utterly over react anytime they think a suggestions being made that they don't like could be put into place and they'll get away with it.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Zyphlin said:
Few problems to that:

1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.

Not to mention that:

1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.

This is solely the schools fault. If they were in the right with this rule then they could just say "we're not changing it, if you want to sue sue, you'll lose" and could have the prom. If they know they're not in the right and they'd lose then they're trying to circumvent having to actually follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school. If they're unsure as to whether they'd win or not, they are still trying to potentially circumvent having to follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school.

It should be the school buckling, not the kid.
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So these girls take this event and go on in life to fight the bigger issue of gay marriage...

How does this manifest later on, if they can't have gay-marriage then all "marriage" is abolished for everyone? Maybe gays like these girls didn't make the decision to abolish "marriage" but they certainly can back off and find a better solution.

There are people on this forum who support that....
 
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Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
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The school already looks like an ass. She is following the rules, here. Sometimes, in order for a change to occur, someone has to take a hit. That's usually how change happens.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
If I were her, I would offer to stay home so everyone else could have a prom, and I would offer a house party.

That would be the higher ground, would make the school look like an ass, and so many people would show up it would be the best party they could ever dream of.

Even just making the offer would swing the issue in their favor so much...
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If only this were a better world, sure that's what would happen.

In reality, the school would figure they won, and the other kids would have their fun at the prom and go to whatever parties they were planning on attending before all this (or whichever ones are thrown together now). The girl would be stuck home, without getting to enjoy her prom night because a bunch of adults can't grow up and learn some tolerance and how not to step on people's rights.
Oh, and the school board would probably figure that they could keep getting away with this down the road.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
So these girls take this event and go on in life to fight the bigger issue of gay marriage...

How does this manifest later on, if they can't have gay-marriage then all "marriage" is abolished for everyone? Maybe gays like these girls didn't make the decision to abolish "marriage" but they certainly can back off and find a better solution.

There are people on this forum who support that....
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Well first, your argument doesn't make sense. "Prom" isn't being abolished for EVERY school, just like "marriage" is never going to be abolished by "the gays" in any singular way from all sectors of government AND religion.

Second, YES, if it was looking likely that it was going to be found unconstitutional to not let gays marry and so in reaction the government banishes all forms of marriage for everyone that would be the governments fault for grossly over reacting to get around following the law, NOT the people pushing for the right to be married
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

CaptainCourtesy said:
The school already looks like an ass. She is following the rules, here. Sometimes, in order for a change to occur, someone has to take a hit. That's usually how change happens.
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Then we should be celebrating this event, not condemning it.

The glass is half full: that school no longer holds discriminating proms.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Well first, your argument doesn't make sense. "Prom" isn't being abolished for EVERY school, just like "marriage" is never going to be abolished by "the gays" in any singular way from all sectors of government AND religion.

Second, YES, if it was looking likely that it was going to be found unconstitutional to not let gays marry and so in reaction the government banishes all forms of marriage for everyone that would be the governments fault for grossly over reacting to get around following the law, NOT the people pushing for the right to be married
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At that point gays should stand down and not pursue marriage so that others can.

But then, they should back off now.
 
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Few problems to that:

1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.

Not to mention that:

1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.

This is solely the schools fault. If they were in the right with this rule then they could just say "we're not changing it, if you want to sue sue, you'll lose" and could have the prom. If they know they're not in the right and they'd lose then they're trying to circumvent having to actually follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school. If they're unsure as to whether they'd win or not, they are still trying to potentially circumvent having to follow the law by punishing every single kid in the school.

It should be the school buckling, not the kid.
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While I agree that the fault lies entirely with the school. Jerry's suggestion is tactically sound. Apparently many of her peers are blaming her for there not being a prom. If she announced that she was willing to stay home so that everyone else could have their heterosexual prom, that would move all the blame off of her.

1. There's no guarantee the school lets it go back on
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If it didn't that would be entirely the schools fault, and no one would have an excuse to blame her anymore.

2. There's nothing saying that her parents would allow or could allow such a party to happen
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Why wouldn't they?

3. Still deprives her of what is considered by many a integral childhood memory and puts the students into a situation of choosing one or the other.
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She is being deprived either way. If she is seen as "taking one for the team" that automatically makes the school the bad guy.

1. Causes the issue to stay in place and for the discrimination to continue on
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No more so than not having a prom does.

2. Reinforces to the school that they can get away with things simply by punishing everyone in an over reactive manner rather than deal with their bigotry.
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Good. The more they cast themselves as the villains but punishing everyone they can, the more support they will lose.

You can bet that if the girl offered to stay home so that others could have a prom despite the school's unreasonableness, that she would achieve martyrlike status to many students whose proms she saved. Then they would grow up to make less idiotic decisions about that sort of thing when they become school board members themselves.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Redress said:
I somehow doubt you would do that, and not be instead incensed that the school was trying to make you a villain. Of course, this is unprovable, but I am fairly confident of that.

She should not be in a position such as this. She did nothing wrong, the school overreacted. There is no reason she should be punished for doing nothing wrong.

You called her an attention whore for daring to ask for a change to rules. Are you backing away from that now and admitting that was a huge overreaction on your part?
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No I called her an attention whore for not backing off after everyone was suffering.

It would be one thing is the entire student body were fighting for this, but it's just the 2 of them and the ACLU. The rest of the student body would rather have the prom.

I guess I've already had enough of the entire unit being punished with extra PT just because 1 or 2 couldn't get their **** together.
 
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Jerry said:
No I called her an attention whore for not backing off after everyone was suffering.

It would be one thing is the entire student body were fighting for this, but it's just the 2 of them and the ACLU.

I guess I've already had enough of the entire unit being punished with extra PT just because 1 or 2 couldn't get their **** together.
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Yeah, that makes sense, blame the victims. She did not cancel prom, it's not her fault, she is not to blame for anything here. You show once again just how wrong you are with this with your PT comparison, since again, the fault is entirely, 100 % with the school.

I am glad we have young people in this country who are willing to stand up for their ideals, and do not cut and run when the going gets tough.
 
Re: Mississippi School Cancels Prom

Jerry said:
Then we should be celebrating this event, not condemning it.

The glass is half full: that school no longer holds discriminating proms.
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The school is still practicing discrimination by refusing to hold the prom because of this issue. I think you are aware that your logic is faulty, here.
 
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