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Pa. woman accused of recruiting jihadists

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A Pennsylvania woman has been charged with joining a group overseas that sources said planned to kill a Swedish cartoonist whose drawings of the Prophet Muhammed provoked worldwide outrage.

A federal indictment unveiled Tuesday alleges that Colleen LaRose, 46, of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, called herself "Jihad Jane" and was also known as Fatima Larose. It says she agreed to kill a Swede on orders from unnamed terrorists and traveled to Europe to carry out the killing.

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Pa. woman charged with recruiting jihadists - Security- msnbc.com

Blond, blue-eyed jihadist.... tsk, tsk... :shock:

she thought her appearance would help her move freely in Sweden to carry out the attack, the indictment said.

it shatters any lingering thought that we can spot a terrorist based on appearance," U.S. Attorney Michael Levy said.
 
A Pennsylvania woman has been charged with joining a group overseas that sources said planned to kill a Swedish cartoonist whose drawings of the Prophet Muhammed provoked worldwide outrage.

A federal indictment unveiled Tuesday alleges that Colleen LaRose, 46, of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, called herself "Jihad Jane" and was also known as Fatima Larose. It says she agreed to kill a Swede on orders from unnamed terrorists and traveled to Europe to carry out the killing.

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Pa. woman charged with recruiting jihadists - Security- msnbc.com

Blond, blue-eyed jihadist.... tsk, tsk... :shock:

Well racial profiling wouldn't have gotten that one then eh?

I don't understand why people want to kill another man over a cartoon though. It may have been insulting or insensitive or whatever, but in the end it's just a cartoon. People need to put things in perspective.
 
They say it's a small world but the cultures living on it might as well be from different planets.

There is no understanding.
 
They say it's a small world but the cultures living on it might as well be from different planets.

Yeah. But on the same accord, I don't think it's beyond human comprehension to understand that murder for an insulting cartoon is a bit much of an overreaction. But I guess maybe experimentally it's saying it is. Unfortunate.
 
This one was easy. The moron pretty much advertised it on the Internet. It's the smart ones we don't know about that worry me.
 
Yeah. But on the same accord, I don't think it's beyond human comprehension to understand that murder for an insulting cartoon is a bit much of an overreaction. But I guess maybe experimentally it's saying it is. Unfortunate.

I would tend to agree. makes good sense.

But I just got through skyping my buddy who is a big shot for Chevron running these new-fangled super-oil rigs. He told me some stories about the people in New Guienea (sp?) he worked around. They have no concept of minutes, hours, days, weeks, and can't tell you how old they are. My friend pointed a laser pointer at one of them and the other damn near beat his friend to death trying to rid him of this evil spirit. True story.

My point is, middle easterners think with a differnt brain than we do. I suspect they think, things that are logical to us in every sense, are just as foreign to their line of thought as theirs is to ours.

Venus and mars. Impossible to relate.

It's hardwired on both ends. How can that be fixed?
 
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America's 'Jihad Jane' charged for supporting terrorist plot [Edit]

America's 'Jihad Jane' charged for supporting terrorist plot

2010-03-10 13:20:00 A Pennsylvania woman known as 'Jihad Jane' has been charged for conspiring to provide material support to terrorists and plotting to kill in a foreign country.
According to an indictment by the U.S. Attorney, Colleen R. LaRose, aka "Fatima LaRose" and "Jihad Jane," has been charged with "conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, conspiracy to kill in a foreign country, making false statements to a government official and attempted identity theft."
LaRose and her five unindicted co-conspirators are accused of recruiting men on the Internet to wage violent jihad in South Asia and Europe, the New York Post reports.


See also;
'Jihad Jane' Accused of Terror Ties - Video - FoxNews.com
 
Well racial profiling wouldn't have gotten that one then eh?

Profiling isn't the only or end-all-beat-all tool. It's just one of many that should be employed with restrictive oversight and management. There's a way to intelligently do things and the not so intelligent way. Hopefully we can use the former.
 
Yeah. But on the same accord, I don't think it's beyond human comprehension to understand that murder for an insulting cartoon is a bit much of an overreaction. But I guess maybe experimentally it's saying it is. Unfortunate.

Those guys simply do not have the western perspective on these things. They are probably saying the same thing about us and how it should be obvious to us why we shouldn't do those things that piss them off so badly.
 
Ummm...is it just me or does this woman seem a few keys short of a keyboard?

Babbling about secret conspiracies and terrorists is a good way to get attention and dangling information about "secret terrorist groups" in a country where they are probably not going to to torture you seems like an attention scheme more than anything.
 
How's that any different from your average jihadist? :lol:
One should not confuse conviction with ignorance. The modern jihadist has much in common with the Samurai of feudal Japan, absolute dedication to a single idea even unto death.

We may strongly disagree with that ideal, but the parallels are there just the same.

Come to think of it, the attitude of worship towards Samurai in the West probably wouldnt be as prevalent if people, y'know, read books like Hagakure.
 
My point is, middle easterners think with a differnt brain than we do. I suspect they think, things that are logical to us in every sense, are just as foreign to their line of thought as theirs is to ours.

Venus and mars. Impossible to relate.

It's hardwired on both ends. How can that be fixed?
They are not HARDWIRED differently than us. They are PROGRAMMED differently. The hardware is the same.

If you think about the brain as a computer, it's all about the programs that you are running on it. And, frankly, I don't see a lot of difference between a jihadist threatening to kill someone over a cartoon, and the idiot who twittered her morning after pill getting death threats.

Let's stop pretending that there aren't extremists in the U.S., both from the far left and the far right.
 
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One should not confuse conviction with ignorance. The modern jihadist has much in common with the Samurai of feudal Japan, absolute dedication to a single idea even unto death.

The "modern jihadist", as evidenced by the recent attacks, attempted attacks and various arrests, simply can't be put in that kind of neat little box. Some may very well have the Samurai heart in them and may have convinced themselves of the nobility of their absolute dedication to their cause, but from what I can tell most are either mentally unstable or too stupid to realize their faith is being manipulated by others with a different agenda.
 
First off I'm not really sure she should be classified as a "terrorist" considering her objective. Second, she's obviously got some wires loose. She's probably got some approval seeking disorder which is why she joined the religion and then sought to do something like kill someone who offended her religion. She's just a sad woman who needs psychiatric care... and maybe some shock therapy! :rofl
 
The "modern jihadist", as evidenced by the recent attacks, attempted attacks and various arrests, simply can't be put in that kind of neat little box. Some may very well have the Samurai heart in them and may have convinced themselves of the nobility of their absolute dedication to their cause, but from what I can tell most are either mentally unstable or too stupid to realize their faith is being manipulated by others with a different agenda.
Interestingly enough, the stereotype of people who are manipulated by groups like jihadists (or cultists, the mentality is the same) of them being stupid or weak-willed is pretty much BS. The vast majority of people who get caught up in these groups are fairly intelligent (and may or may not be well educate).

Many suicide bombers have been college educated and received advanced degrees, even studied at foreign universities.

I'm not trying to defend or excuse the actions they take, but I think it's a mistake to write jihadists off as "stupid"
 
Interestingly enough, the stereotype of people who are manipulated by groups like jihadists (or cultists, the mentality is the same) of them being stupid or weak-willed is pretty much BS. The vast majority of people who get caught up in these groups are fairly intelligent (and may or may not be well educate).

Many suicide bombers have been college educated and received advanced degrees, even studied at foreign universities.

I'm not trying to defend or excuse the actions they take, but I think it's a mistake to write jihadists off as "stupid"

I tend to differentiate between academic achievement and intelligence. Too often I've seen that one does not necessarily follow the other. There are different forms of intelligence, and, on many levels, smart, educated people can be monumentally stupid and prone to be manipulated by much more intelligent, often less educated people.
 
I tend to differentiate between academic achievement and intelligence. Too often I've seen that one does not necessarily follow the other.
This is quite true and I know more than a few academics who I would classify as stupid outside their chosen field. However many of these men get degrees in engineering, architecture, chemistry, electronics, finance, to name but a few. As a polisci major, I know that you can to a certain degree fake your way through some of the soft sciences but you have to have at least some level of average intelligence to complete programs in engineering and the like. I'd like to think I'm quite intelligent and I know I couldnt handle an engineering program.

There are different forms of intelligence, and, on many levels, smart, educated people can be monumentally stupid and prone to be manipulated by much more intelligent, often less educated people.
But again, we see that time and time again that isnt the case. These people (be they jihadists or cultists) once you get them away from the influences of the group, are usually pretty straight people who are reasonably intelligent and not "bad" people by any stretch of the imagination. I think we need to keep in mind that ideology can be a powerful weapon if someone's life is saturated by it.
 
it shatters any lingering thought that we can spot a terrorist based on appearance," U.S. Attorney Michael Levy said.
If he believes that, he's an idiot.
 
First off I'm not really sure she should be classified as a "terrorist" considering her objective. Second, she's obviously got some wires loose. She's probably got some approval seeking disorder which is why she joined the religion and then sought to do something like kill someone who offended her religion. She's just a sad woman who needs psychiatric care... and maybe some shock therapy! :rofl

Oh she will get shocked alright but it wont be therapy.
 
But again, we see that time and time again that isnt the case. These people (be they jihadists or cultists) once you get them away from the influences of the group, are usually pretty straight people who are reasonably intelligent and not "bad" people by any stretch of the imagination. I think we need to keep in mind that ideology can be a powerful weapon if someone's life is saturated by it.

I can agree with this. I tend to see cult members as weak and kind of pathetic in their need to be controlled and their inability to think for themselves.
 
I can agree with this. I tend to see cult members as weak and kind of pathetic in their need to be controlled and their inability to think for themselves.
Cults do in microcosm what advertising does in macrocosm; create, exacerbate, or prey on a person's problems then offer the group as a solution to those problems. This kind of strategy works on people for different reasons. Sometimes these groups offer people a chance to belong to something where they really feel like it's a family. For other people, it's a way to improve one's life or combat a social problem.

No one goes into a cult seeing mass suicide at the end of the tunnel and most dont realize how deep they're in until its too late.
 
Re: Jihad Jane arrested in Pennsylvania

America's 'Jihad Jane' charged for supporting terrorist plot

2010-03-10 13:20:00 A Pennsylvania woman known as 'Jihad Jane' has been charged for conspiring to provide material support to terrorists and plotting to kill in a foreign country.
According to an indictment by the U.S. Attorney, Colleen R. LaRose, aka "Fatima LaRose" and "Jihad Jane," has been charged with "conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, conspiracy to kill in a foreign country, making false statements to a government official and attempted identity theft."
LaRose and her five unindicted co-conspirators are accused of recruiting men on the Internet to wage violent jihad in South Asia and Europe, the New York Post reports.


See also;
'Jihad Jane' Accused of Terror Ties - Video - FoxNews.com

I hope they throw the book at her.
 
Re: Jihad Jane arrested in Pennsylvania

It's ok if you mods wanna merge this thread with mine. The more the merrier. :cool:
 
Re: Jihad Jane arrested in Pennsylvania

She and Mrs Conyers can share a cell. :mrgreen:
 
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