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2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

SE102 said:
The benefit is that they can continue to fear homosexuals and never have to face one openly in real life.
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If Al Qaeda ever finds out that our military can't handle gays in the shower we are doomed. :shock:
 
ptif219 said:
I don't care I don't live in those countries.

If a gay can't obey DADT I doubt he will have the discipline it takes to be a soldier 24/7.

If a gay refuses to obey DADT what other orders will he refuse to obey?
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Wait, so you are saying that if a gay cannot obey DADT, you doubt he will have the discipline it takes to be a soldier... you are concerned about what other orders he will refuse to obey.

So, if DADT is repealed, and a straight refuses to obey a gay commander, will you also doubt he will have the discipline to be a soldier, and will you also be concerned about what other orders he will refuse to obey?
 
Lightdemon said:
No, but the civil rights movement did just that by protesting against the laws. Maybe you should take into consideration that DADT may be the problem, since you can't seem to name one benefit for it.
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Then why not complain but the laws that affect heterosexuals in service. Do you know you can be discharged for adultery. If an officer has sex with an enlisted person it is grounds for discharge. Gays are not special here it is a law that goes along with conduct rules in the military.
 
Lightdemon said:
But you wouldn't sleep in the same bed with him, even if it's just sleep, right?
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Yeah that is right, just like a good looking female who was a ship mate would not sleep with me and I don't blame her because being the horny guy I am I would probably make a move on her.......
 
ptif219 said:
Then why not complain but the laws that affect heterosexuals in service. Do you know you can be discharged for adultery. If an officer has sex with an enlisted person it is grounds for discharge. Gays are not special here it is a law that goes along with conduct rules in the military.
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Are you telling me that gays aren't being discharged for adultery? Why would that be? Oh, is it because they can't get MARRIED??

Look, it's not that they get a pass on that, it's that the policy doesn't even apply to them.

Do you have a better example?
 
ptif219 said:
Do you know you can be discharged for adultery. If an officer has sex with an enlisted person it is grounds for discharge. Gays are not special here it is a law that goes along with conduct rules in the military.
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Since when would gays be having special sexual priveleges?

Yeah that is right, just like a good looking female who was a ship mate would not sleep with me and I don't blame her because being the horny guy I am I would probably make a move on her...
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Since when were gays good looking females?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Wait, so you are saying that if a gay cannot obey DADT, you doubt he will have the discipline it takes to be a soldier... you are concerned about what other orders he will refuse to obey.

So, if DADT is repealed, and a straight refuses to obey a gay commander, will you also doubt he will have the discipline to be a soldier, and will you also be concerned about what other orders he will refuse to obey?
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I refuse to respond to you
 
ptif219 said:
They are disobeying DADT which they knew about when they signed the contract to be come part of the US Military.

Will they disobey other orders that they don't agree with? I for one do not think we should take that chance.
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I've decided. You've made an excellent point. Someone who disobey's one order or rule cannot be trusted. They might disobey other orders or rules. We shouldn't take the chance and should not allow them there.

In fact, this is such a good argument, I can see it having ramifications in other areas. For instance, you have several infractions, proving that you cannot obey the rules. By your logic, you should not be allowed to post at DP since you have proven you cannot obey rules and we should not take the chance, since, by your logic, you will break more rules.

So, shall I ban you now?
 
Lightdemon said:
Are you telling me that gays aren't being discharged for adultery? Why would that be? Oh, is it because they can't get MARRIED??

Look, it's not that they get a pass on that, it's that the policy doesn't even apply to them.

Do you have a better example?
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So its ok for Heterosexuals but not gays? Sounds discriminating to me.
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah that is right, just like a good looking female who was a ship mate would not sleep with me and I don't blame her because being the horny guy I am I would probably make a move on her.......
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See? You do fear your golf buddy. You afraid of him making a move on you, if you two were ever in the same bed together.

NP, I don't mean any disrespect at all when I say this, but this is really an irrational fear, this homophobia you have. Why does it always go back to something sexual when we talk about gays?
 
Navy Pride said:
DADT is working like a charm:confused:
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Based on what? Are gay military people in valuable jobs still discharged? That don't sound like it's working well. Is DADT used by some who find the military not to their liking to get out easily? That does not sound like it is working well. Are gays still required to hide their orientation for fear of discharge, forced to watch what they say and who they are with and where they go? That does not sound like it is working well. What are you basing this statement on?

And I further ask, again, why do you have such a low opinion of our men and women in the service that you do not think they can handle things that civilians do, and other militaries do?
 
SE102 said:
Since when would gays be having special sexual priveleges?



Since when were gays good looking females?
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Now concentrate like a laser being because there will be a quiz........I am comparing myself as a straight man with a gay man.........He is attracted to men, I am to women.....Sleeping in close contact with a woman I am attracted to I ma afraid I might succumb to temptation........I as a straight male don't want to have any gay male have the same problem......
 
VanceMack said:
Really? Slot a fits tab B and produces humanity, posterity, life. Anything else is a deviation. And every other practitioner of deviant behaviors believes witht he same fervor that they are what they are...made by God, or some other influence, but totallly natural to them.
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Good, appeal to nature logical fallacy. I was wondering when this pointless argument would pop up.

And personally? I dont care. Two consenting adults can stick whatever they want, wherever they want, however they want. I couldnt care less. Doesnt make it right. But hopefully it makes them happy.
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To YOU it doesn't make it right. That and a quarter is worth... a quarter.
 
ptif219 said:
So its ok for Heterosexuals but not gays? Sounds discriminating to me.
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Gays can't get married.....there is no adultery for them. The law doesn't apply to them.

It's like asking why pedestrians don't have to follow speed limits. It makes no sense.
 
Navy Pride said:
A red herring my left wing friend...we are not talking about minorities, we are talking about a group of people who are defined by their sexual orientation...........
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Which is a minority, NP.
 
Navy Pride said:
Now concentrate like a laser being because there will be a quiz........I am comparing myself as a straight man with a gay man.........He is attracted to men, I am to women.....Sleeping in close contact with a woman I am attracted to I ma afraid I might succumb to temptation........I as a straight male don't want to have any gay male have the same problem......
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You do not think that woman will be able to tell you to go to hell? You do not think you can tell a gay man "no" if he makes a pass at you? You really do have a very low opinion of those in the service.
 
Lightdemon said:
Gays can't get married.....there is no adultery for them. The law doesn't apply to them.

It's like asking why pedestrians don't have to follow speed limits. It makes no sense.
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So married men can not be bisexual?
 
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