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2 Generals Wary About Repealing Gay Policy

SE102 said:
Yes, I'm sure everyone is in mortal peril the whole time and any unit cohesion will be destroyed by homosexual officers living together on military bases. This isn't about foxhole confessions of homosexuality... this is about equal rights. Essentially your saying they must all obey DADT because of homophobes like you who are so disgusted they wouldn't be able to work with them. Thats all you really seem to be implying here. I'm sure all the other soldiers think just like you and would just 'fall apart' if they knew there was a homo in their midst. Except I met a flamer who acclimated just fine and only encountered 1 or 2 homophobes out of 40 men in the platoon while being out processed. They were a problem, because I knew of 2 other homosexuals in the platoon that were not out. Average would probably be 4.
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I served with a gay man I would trust with my life. The point is he never talked about being gay and worked hard to do his job to the best of his ability. This was in the 70's before DADT.
 
ptif219 said:
When a persons lies to you do you trust them not to lie again?
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And what about those who are gay and ARE following DADT policy. What about them? Are they distrustful? How about repealing DADT for these honest gays?

You still refuse answer how repealing it would benefit the military.
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How about allowing gay people to be in the military. That's a benefit, isn't it?
How about allowing Americans to serve their country regardless of sexual orientation? That's a benefit, isn't it?

Now how about you give me a few benefits of keeping DADT?
 
ptif219 said:
When a persons lies to you do you trust them not to lie again?
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Wait? So you tell them to lie... enforce a mandate for them to lie... then cant trust them because they lie. And still you let them serve in your army... but wont trust them because they are liars because you make them lie...

You still refuse answer how repealing it would benefit the military.
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It would benefit the homosexuals that are part of the military. Are they any less a part of the military than you?
 
ptif219 said:
I served with a gay man I would trust with my life. The point is he never talked about being gay and worked hard to do his job to the best of his ability. This was in the 70's before DADT.
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So why do you insist on keeping DADT? Obviously gay folks can serve in the military just as well as the rest of us, so why support a policy that keeps gay folks out of the military? Please, educate me.
 
Redress said:
1) For accuracy. You made an incorrect assumption, I corrected it.

2) being gay is not sexual deviancy.
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Really? Slot a fits tab B and produces humanity, posterity, life. Anything else is a deviation. And every other practitioner of deviant behaviors believes witht he same fervor that they are what they are...made by God, or some other influence, but totallly natural to them.

And personally? I dont care. Two consenting adults can stick whatever they want, wherever they want, however they want. I couldnt care less. Doesnt make it right. But hopefully it makes them happy.
 
Lightdemon said:
What spin? Your concern was gay people not following orders...that was YOUR point.

If DADT was repealed, you'll have no problems because there wont be any orders to be disobeyed, right? I don't understand, why do you want to keep DADT?
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Will that make them any less rebellious against authority?
 
Lightdemon said:
Yes it is a slippery slope. And I'll tell you what a cop out is - saying, "People that have served know what I am talking about" as if it proves your point or something. That is a cop out.

What is the problem with gays being in the military?
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Have you served?
 
Lightdemon said:
And what about those who are gay and ARE following DADT policy. What about them? Are they distrustful? How about repealing DADT for these honest gays?

If they have obeyed and put the military above their sexual orientation they are trustworty. You are trying to twist what I have said.

How about allowing gay people to be in the military. That's a benefit, isn't it?
How about allowing Americans to serve their country regardless of sexual orientation? That's a benefit, isn't it?
Gays serve and do it as it should be done and are heroes.
Now how about you give me a few benefits of keeping DADT?
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No you have not shown how repealing it would benefit the military.
 
ptif219 said:
Will that make them any less rebellious against authority?
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C'mon on now...Your only problem is with the folks who are disobeying DADT. That's not a reason to keep DADT.

There are plenty of gay folks in the military who are keeping sexuality to themselves, what of them? There are plenty of potential recruits who are gay that have yet to register with the service. What of them?

Can you please explain why DADT is a good policy to keep? What is so important here?
 
This will be a huge problem..........If gays are allowed to serve openly and they get into trouble over something that has nothing to do with their gayness the first thing they will say is the Petty Officer that put them on report is a homophobe and hates gays........

Its just like in housing or a job..........Any gay that is refused housing or fired from a job even if they are a terrible worker will claim they were fired because they were gay..............
 
Lightdemon said:
C'mon on now...Your only problem is with the folks who are disobeying DADT. That's not a reason to keep DADT.

There are plenty of gay folks in the military who are keeping sexuality to themselves, what of them? There are plenty of potential recruits who are gay that have yet to register with the service. What of them?

Can you please explain why DADT is a good policy to keep? What is so important here?
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If it ain't broke don't fix it...........
 
Navy Pride said:
This will be a huge problem..........If gays are allowed to serve openly and they get into trouble over something that has nothing to do with their gayness the first thing they will say is the Petty Officer that put them on report is a homophobe and hates gays........

Its just like in housing or a job..........Any gay that is refused housing or fired from a job even if they are a terrible worker will claim they were fired because they were gay..............
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Just like all those women and minorities do everyday that destroyed the country and now we have nothing left right?
 
SE102 said:
Wait? So you tell them to lie... enforce a mandate for them to lie... then cant trust them because they lie. And still you let them serve in your army... but wont trust them because they are liars because you make them lie...
How so. Don't ask so if no one asks why do they have to lie?
It would benefit the homosexuals that are part of the military. Are they any less a part of the military than you?
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You are not saying how it will benefit the military you are stating it will benefit gays.
 
SE102 said:
Just like all those women and minorities do everyday that destroyed the country and now we have nothing left right?
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A red herring my left wing friend...we are not talking about minorities, we are talking about a group of people who are defined by their sexual orientation...........
 
Please learn how to use the quote function...

If they have obeyed and put the military above their sexual orientation they are trustworty. You are trying to twist what I have said.
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This is not a reason to keep DADT.

Gays serve and do it as it should be done and are heroes.
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Again, this does not support keeping DADT.

And actually it supports the repealing of it, since it proves that gays can serve our military without problems. DADT is unnecessary.

No you have not shown how repealing it would benefit the military.
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How about eliminating a policy that makes no sense, have no purpose, and is outdated?

Can you even give 1 reason why to keep DADT? C'mon, just 1.
 
Lightdemon said:
So why do you insist on keeping DADT? Obviously gay folks can serve in the military just as well as the rest of us, so why support a policy that keeps gay folks out of the military? Please, educate me.
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I don't insist on nothing it is out of my hands. I am looking at what must be today with the rules and laws in place.

You keep telling things that are not true. Gays are not kept out of service.
 
Navy Pride said:
If it ain't broke don't fix it...........
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The reason we have the best military in the world is we are constantly improving what ain't broke. The status quo is not good enough for the military, and never has been.
 
ptif219 said:
You keep telling things that are not true. Gays are not kept out of service.
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Uh....clearly they are being kept out of service. What do you think DADT is? This policy is MEANT to keep them out. I would think someone who has been in the military, you'd at least know that. ;)
 
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