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Navy will soon let women serve on subs

The government wants women in the military to succeed and the only way that can happen is to lower the physical standards.....If you did not do that then there would be few women in the military, with the exception of your medical field because very few can handle the physical standards set for a man....

I know a couple of people are going to slam me for this but it is the truth.....

its like the old joke where you have a bunch of men and women in formation and the Sgt says we have this dangerous mission...6 men step forward so that happenes and then the Sgt says any women that want to volunteer for this mission step forward..........

I hope everyone can see the hypocrisy.......


Nah, nobody stepped forward.

Everyone knows NAVY stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
 
Nah, nobody stepped forward.

Everyone knows NAVY stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
And how do we know the sergeant didn't say "A1, A2, B5, and C6, you 4 women just volunteered."
 
Then having one standard should solve all of the problems you guys are continuously here bitching and moaning about. One standard, less women. So where's the ****ing issue having one standard? Why are all of you whining guys so opposed to have an equal and fair standard for ALL? It's absolutely baffling to me. If such a teeny tiny percent of women would actually pass, wouldn't that just suit the sexists just fine? If no woman could EVER pass the requirements to be on a sub, then it seems you guys would welcome one set of standards.

And yet, you guys persist in getting your panties in a wad about even THAT. We want to make the requirements fair for all, decrease the burden on the men, increase the strength of the women who serve and according to you guys, decrease the amount of women who would be serving. Why are you guys opposed to any of that?


1. Like I said if you had one standard there would be very few people in certain fields where strength and fitness is required......You can argue all you want but that is a fact......Tht is not what the suits want........They want women to be able to compete in all fields..that is why they lower the standards........


What I see is your sexism and ignorance.



1. Like I said if you had one standard there would be very few people in certain fields where strength and fitness is required......You can argue all you want but that is a fact......That is not what the suits want........They want women to be able to compete in all fields..that is why they lower the standards........


2. I call it hypocrisy or showing favoritism to women in any case whether its what you say or what I say its the truth......
 
Despite claims to the contrary, most(but not all) jobs in the navy do not even require physical standards, other than the most basic that most women can handle.
LOL So where's the issue?

(although, if there are any standards, they should be the same for all people)

Three unexceptional women loading 500 pound bombs is a good example of this.

Of course. It wouldn't be hard at all for three people to load 500lbs. If that's all that's required, then wtf are these guys bitching about?
 
1. Like I said if you had one standard there would be very few people in certain fields where strength and fitness is required......You can argue all you want but that is a fact......
The numbers that would qualify are *irrelevant*. How many times does this need to be said. It. doesn't. matter.

That is not what the suits want........They want women to be able to compete in all fields..that is why they lower the standards........
Well then, your issue is with the 'suits' who are apparently working very hard to weaken the military by lowering standards of performance. Stop bitching about women, and start bitching about the ****tards who are actually causing the damn problem.

2. I call it hypocrisy or showing favoritism to women in any case whether its what you say or what I say its the truth......
Favortism? WTF? Making a sexist comment about how there aren't any courageous women is 'showing favoritism to women'?
 
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Do you have any evidence that physical standards have been reduced (as to reduce military effectiveness) because of women in the military?

It is important to remember that increased technology in warfare means that a certain level of physical fitness that was needed in the past may not be needed today.

On top of that, you also need to compare the gains to a military from having more soldiers (women) with any loss of efficiency... which may or may not exist.

If this is about making the military stronger, then it isn't about opinion, its about whatever studies have been done.

Of course, talk to any man in the army they will tell you whether its obstacle courses or other physical requirements they are different.........

Even in civilian life they are different and easier for women.......Why in golf do women tee off much closer to the pin or hole then men? Its easy its because men are stronger and can hit the ball farther.........

Why can't women beat men in any sport that requires strength....Its the same thing..

Anyone who thinks women can compete in any situation with a man where physical strength is involved is kidding theirselves......
 
LOL So where's the issue?

(although, if there are any standards, they should be the same for all people)



Of course. It wouldn't be hard at all for three people to load 500lbs. If that's all that's required, then wtf are these guys bitching about?

All naval personnel are required to pass a physical fitness test every 6 months. The standards vary by age and gender. However, this test is not intended to measure the ability to do any job, only to measure general physical fitness, which is why the different standards. At my age, I could walk the run portion and pass.
 
The numbers that would qualify are *irrelevant*. How many times does this need to be said. It. doesn't. matter.


Well then, your issue is with the 'suits' who are apparently working very hard to weaken the military by lowering standards of performance. Stop bitching about women, and start bitching about the ****tards who are actually causing the damn problem.


Favortism? WTF? Making a sexist comment about how no women are courageous is 'showing favoritism to women'?
To be fair, rivrrat, there ARE probably SOME women who fit his sterotypes.

Just like there ARE probably SOME women who could take out a navy SEAL, given proper training, etc.
 
To be fair, rivrrat, there ARE probably SOME women who fit his sterotypes.
Of course there are. And there are plenty of men who fit the same stereotypes. He makes blanket statements though, all the ****ing time, and tries to pass them off truths. If you throw a blanket over a group of people, you're bound to catch a few that actually belong under it. That's not the point, though.

Just like there ARE probably SOME women who could take out a navy SEAL, given proper training, etc.
Of course there.
 
The numbers that would qualify are *irrelevant*. How many times does this need to be said. It. doesn't. matter.


Well then, your issue is with the 'suits' who are apparently working very hard to weaken the military by lowering standards of performance. Stop bitching about women, and start bitching about the ****tards who are actually causing the damn problem.


Favortism? WTF? Making a sexist comment about how there aren't any courageous women is 'showing favoritism to women'?[/QUOTE]

1. its obvious you have very little experience with the military....FYI the suits say **** and the military squats and says where or when.......

2. Lady you need to take a pill because whethere you like it or not that is the way it is........
 
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Anyone who thinks women can compete in any situation with a man where physical strength is involved is kidding theirselves......

So you keep saying. Yet, you're so opposed to making the standards equal. Maybe that's why you're so opposed to it... because then you'd be proven wrong. Women WOULD pass the same physical standards, and then what would you have to bitch and moan and make sexist comments about?
 
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1. its obcious you have very little experience with the military....FYI the suits say **** and the military squats and says where or when.......
and? This makes them less culpable, how?

2. Lady you need to take a pill because whethere you like it or not that is the way it is........

Dude. Are you drunk or something? You made a blatantly sexist comment that blanketed ALL women as ****ing cowards, then tried to say the comment somehow showed favoritism to women. So, can you please explain to me how calling ALL women cowards is showing favoritism to women.
 
I think what some of you think that the military is a democracy and everything should be fair and even.....Well its not that way.........Its a dictatorship....There is no democracy...........The military is the to fight your wars and not deal with all the PC social experimentation.........By the time Obama is done he will set our military back 200 years.......
 
I think what some of you think that the military is a democracy and everything should be fair and even.....Well its not that way.........Its a dictatorship....There is no democracy...........The military is the to fight your wars and not deal with all the PC social experimentation.

Oh... except for when you cater to the protesters. Right?
 
So you keep saying. Yet, you're so opposed to making the standards equal. Maybe that's why you're so opposed to it... because then you'd be proven wrong. Women WOULD pass the same physical standards, and then what would you have to bitch and moan and make sexist comments about?

If you make the standards the same then you will have very few women who can meet them and that is not what the people in charge want.......why can't you understand that?
 
Oh... except for when you cater to the protesters. Right?

I have no clue what that means........My only experience with protestors is the Captain of the ship I was on told the crew if we confronted protestors we would be court martialed so when we went out the gate of the base we let them spit at us and call us dirty names..........
 
If you make the standards the same then you will have very few women who can meet them and that is not what the people in charge want.......why can't you understand that?
It should have been blatantly obvious that throughout this thread we have not been talking about what 'the people in charge' want. We have been talking about what we want.

EDIT: and if the people in charge want something else, we've been saying that they shouldn't.
 
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It should have been blatantly obvious that throughout this thread we have not been talking about what 'the people in charge' want. We have been talking about what we want.

What you want does not count....The way it is is what counts........what part of that do you not comprende?
 
If you make the standards the same then you will have very few women who can meet them and that is not what the people in charge want.......why can't you understand that?

O.M.F.G.

THEN TAKE YOUR GRIPE UP WITH THE ****TARDS IN CHARGE.

Jesus ****ing christ. Why are you here bitching and moaning about women and "lefties" when women and "lefties" are not the ****ing problem? The problem, according to you, are the "suits" who cater to femnazi bitch protesters. The "suits" who weaken our military. The "suits" who make women in the military weak and a burden. The "suits" who create extra work for the men.

Your issue is with the "suits", so take it up with THEM and stop bitching at the people who are NOT the problem.

The way to solve ALL of your issues is to have equal standards. Therefore, the way to solve ALL of your issues is to convince the "suits" (who are apparently fools) that equal standards would make the military stronger, instead of catering to the femnazi bitches who hold signs outside.

Why do you defend the people catering to the femnazis who weaken our military? Why aren't you bitching at or about THEM? They are the problem. Work to fix it.
 
and? This makes them less culpable, how?



Dude. Are you drunk or something? You made a blatantly sexist comment that blanketed ALL women as ****ing cowards, then tried to say the comment somehow showed favoritism to women. So, can you please explain to me how calling ALL women cowards is showing favoritism to women.[/QUOTE]

Your full of crap........I never called any woman a coward so don't put words in my mouth........I said men are generally stronger then women and if you won't admit that there is little sense in carrying this on any further with you........byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
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and? This makes them less culpable, how?



Dude. Are you drunk or something? You made a blatantly sexist comment that blanketed ALL women as ****ing cowards, then tried to say the comment somehow showed favoritism to women. So, can you please explain to me how calling ALL women cowards is showing favoritism to women.[/QUOTE]

Your full of crap........I never called any woman a coward so don't put words in my mouth........I said men are generally stronger then me and if you won't admit that there is little sense in carrying this on any further with you........byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Are you sure you worded that bold blue part right?
 
Personally I think ths standards should be the same for everyone.......That is the fair way to do it......If you can't do 50 chin ups you flunk.....If you can't lift a 200 lb pack and put it on your back you flunk.....That way there would be very few women in a lot of fields that require this with the exception of a few amazons.........Case ****ing closed!!!!!!!!
 
Your full of crap........I never called any woman a coward so don't put words in my mouth........I said men are generally stronger then me and if you won't admit that there is little sense in carrying this on any further with you........byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Sure looked that way to me... But hey, maybe I'm just not familiar with the sexist joke the way you are.


its like the old joke where you have a bunch of men and women in formation and the Sgt says we have this dangerous mission...6 men step forward so that happenes and then the Sgt says any women that want to volunteer for this mission step forward..........

I hope everyone can see the hypocrisy.......
 
Personally I think ths standards should be the same for everyone.......That is the fair way to do it......If you can't do 50 chin ups you flunk.....If you can't lift a 200 lb pack and put it on your back you flunk.....That way there would be very few women in a lot of fields that require this with the exception of a few amazons.........Case ****ing closed!!!!!!!!

No amazons. Just a woman in shape. /shrug
 
I think what some of you think that the military is a democracy and everything should be fair and even.....Well its not that way.........Its a dictatorship....There is no democracy...........The military is the to fight your wars and not deal with all the PC social experimentation.........By the time Obama is done he will set our military back 200 years.......
Obviously the military is not a democracy.

But the people who dictate to it (to some extent) and OK it's budget ARE part of a democratic process.

The Military must cater to them to get funded (to an extent).

So THOSE people are most likely the ones you should be leveling blame at, if you don't like some military policy.
 
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