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Navy will soon let women serve on subs

American said:
Remember those East German female olympians? :lol:


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Why does s/he have an American flag on their uniform and has an EDS logo?:confused:
 
This subject came up before at the submarine base here at Bangor and the wives of the guys on the subs wanted no part of it.....When it comes to controversial issues the Navy is very sensitive to the feelings of the families of the men who are serving............I believe this will become a major obstacle to women serving on submarines.......
 
American said:
Never thought I'd see you put fairness above effectiveness. I've stated before I have nothing against women, but this is about national defense and national security. NOTHING should come before the effectiveness of our military. If women can fit in without undue burden upon military effectiveness and costs, fine. If not, the military shouldn't be burden with whining.
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It's a strange position for me, I'll admit. But the fact is that if standards are upheld in choosing women for these jobs it is unfair to prevent them from serving.

I agree with the bolded portion of your text.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
A Los Angeles class submarine has one head on the Foward Compartment Lower Level, and a bunk room for 21 men. The head has one toilet, one rain locker, one sink.

The Forward Comparment Middle Level has two connected bunk rooms where the rest of the enlisted bunk. The connection is the head. This head has one urinal, three toilets, two showers, three sinks.

The Chiefs are also on this level. The Goat Locker has twelve bunks, one head with one toilet, one shower, one sink.

The junior officers bunks and Wardroom are on this level, they share one head, with one toilet, one shower, and I can't recall if their two-man bunkrooms have sinks or not.

The XO and the CO are berthed in staterooms just forward of the Control Room.

Over 100 men, E-6 and below, share four toilets, one urinal, three showers and four sinks.

There ZERO facilities for split-tails.

Got it, people?



Nah, there's the sleeping and hygeine issues there, as well.
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Another reason that I went Air Force -- I have to give you Sub Swabbies credit for being able to put up with those conditions. So an aircraft carrier must be like going club Med if someone has experienced Subs - I would think !!
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
Another reason that I weant Air Force -- I have to give you Sub Swabbies credit for being able to put up with those conditions. So an aircraft carier must be like going club Med if someone has experienced Subs - I wold think !!
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Which is probably why most new enlistees start out on a Carrier, so they can be eased slowly into the idea of tight cramped spaces.

*proof-reads the last*

Hmm…

Does anyone else notice the opportunities for sexual innuendo in that statement?

Maybe it's just my dirty mind again...
 
The Mark said:
Which is probably why most new enlistees start out on a Carrier, so they can be eased slowly into the idea of tight cramped spaces.

*proof-reads the last*

Hmm…

Does anyone else notice the opportunities for sexual innuendo in that statement?

Maybe it's just my dirty mind again...
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No, I actually was not thinking in terms of sexual induendo just the boat - Now taking your road I almost hate to think what you belive a Submariner actually is LOL !!
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah, right...........:rofl

Since we are telling sea stories, I saw a training film on Navy Seals one time it included guys jumpimg off 12 story buildings. Parachuting with half chutes so they could get down faster//////going on 100 mile hikes.........living off the land, escape and evasion (I was there for this) eating roots, roaches, ants, spiders...I ate the roots but starved otherwise...Lost 20 lbs in 5 days.........
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I went to AirForce Nav Avionics school and I think I found your 20 lbs .. YOU WANT THEM BACK .LOL
 
rivrrat said:
No need for a separate bathroom. Either both genders accept co-ed, or they don't serve on a sub. No reason to change any rules or regs at all.
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Why must anyone accept anything that is philosophically in opppsition to our values. That is like saying that us normal people have to accept that Monika has two mommies or that Danny can actually have two daddies. Wrong is wrong and don't try to force social experimentation on unwilling people.
 
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Kali said:
This is a good thing but based on this thread? I see sexism is still alive and kicking in this Good OLD Boy Country!
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Just because some of us free thinking people do not accept women in combat or on craamped Sub why d how does that constitute sexism. I am sick and tired of the overuse and missuse of sexism just as I am tired of false accusations of racism. If you call every opinion that you do not agree with as sexist then you will mask the true sexist.
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
oH GREAT - another ear mark or would the money for retrofitting subs to "accomodate" females be a Stimulus ?? oh oh what's his name will think that I am talking "sexual inuendo" .
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I hear they're going to install outhouses on subs for the women.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
I see; just a different kind of discrimination ;)

What changed in the military during the late 40's to warrant overturning discrimination on the basis of race? Did white soldiers become more enlightened? Did someone discover that blacks were actually capable of doing jobs other than personal aids and truck drivers?

I always find it comical to watch how people rationalize their own bigotries and justify discrimination on that basis.
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The overriding diference between the racial segregation stupidity and the logical segragation based on gender is --------- drum roll - biology!!!!
 
Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
A Los Angeles class submarine has one head on the Foward Compartment Lower Level, and a bunk room for 21 men. The head has one toilet, one rain locker, one sink.

The Forward Comparment Middle Level has two connected bunk rooms where the rest of the enlisted bunk. The connection is the head. This head has one urinal, three toilets, two showers, three sinks.

The Chiefs are also on this level. The Goat Locker has twelve bunks, one head with one toilet, one shower, one sink.

The junior officers bunks and Wardroom are on this level, they share one head, with one toilet, one shower, and I can't recall if their two-man bunkrooms have sinks or not.

The XO and the CO are berthed in staterooms just forward of the Control Room.

Over 100 men, E-6 and below, share four toilets, one urinal, three showers and four sinks.

There ZERO facilities for split-tails.

Got it, people?



Nah, there's the sleeping and hygeine issues there, as well.
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Great post.......I could not have put it better.......:applaud
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Of course women would pass the training the men go threough to become a SEAL. The military would be forced to lower the requirements until women could pass.

They did it with the firemen, they did it with the cops. They'll do it with the SEALS if they get a chance.
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They are NOT forced. They WRONGLY chose to do that, in detriment to everyone in those fields of work. Different training requirements is wrong on so many levels and the people who came up with them are ****ing retarded. Those sexist requirements set women up for failure and create an additional burden on the men. They are unfair to EVERYONE


Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Women aren't the equal of men.

one word proves this:

Pregnancy.
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Two words: Birth Control

And no one person is equal to any other person, either. That's not the issue.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, the gripe is with the laws demanding equal pay for equal work, and then not requiring that equal work actually be equal work.
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Then take it up with the ****heads who do that ****. Because that is flat out wrong and should be stopped immediately.

Aunt Spiker said:
Exactly.

Unless BC becomes mandatory - among other extreme measures - I'm fully against co-mingling in close-quarter situations. It invites more troubles than it'll prevent.
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BC absolutely should be mandatory on a sub.

Navy Pride said:
Of course there are some but they are the exception rather then the rule.........
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And?

F107HyperSabr said:
Why must anyone accept anything that is philosophically in opppsition to our values. That is like saying that us normal people have to accept that Monika have two mommies or that Danny can actually have two daddies. Wrong is wrong and don't try tp force social experimentation on unwilling people.
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Yeah, I know. Didn't ya hate when we forced our radical values and 'social experimentation' regarding blacks in the military too? :roll:


F107HyperSabr said:
Just because some of us free thinking people do not accept women in combat or on craamped Sub why d how does that constitute sexism. I am sick and tired of the overuse and missuse of sexism just as I am tired of false accusations of racism. If you call every opinion that you do not agree with as sexist then you will mask the true sexist.
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Because it IS sexism. Plain and simple. It really doesn't get any more simplistically sexist than what you and others are blathering on about here.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
A Los Angeles class submarine has one head on the Foward Compartment Lower Level, and a bunk room for 21 men. The head has one toilet, one rain locker, one sink.

The Forward Comparment Middle Level has two connected bunk rooms where the rest of the enlisted bunk. The connection is the head. This head has one urinal, three toilets, two showers, three sinks.

The Chiefs are also on this level. The Goat Locker has twelve bunks, one head with one toilet, one shower, one sink.

The junior officers bunks and Wardroom are on this level, they share one head, with one toilet, one shower, and I can't recall if their two-man bunkrooms have sinks or not.

The XO and the CO are berthed in staterooms just forward of the Control Room.

Over 100 men, E-6 and below, share four toilets, one urinal, three showers and four sinks.

There ZERO facilities for split-tails.

Got it, people?



Nah, there's the sleeping and hygeine issues there, as well.
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Leftwing concept of berthing aboard an LA class sub.

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F107HyperSabr said:
Another reason that I went Air Force -- I have to give you Sub Swabbies credit for being able to put up with those conditions. So an aircraft carrier must be like going club Med if someone has experienced Subs - I would think !!
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And aircraft carrier is a floating city.........you basically have all the comforts of home....a lot of time you can barely tell when a ship is under way.

Let me tell you a little story.......use to be all subs were diesel boats..Well I was on a destroyer and we were tied up in Panama,,,,,,Tied uo along side of us was and old diesel boat sub called the USS DIABLO......One morning they passed the word on the 1MC asking if anyone wanting to ride the DIABLO for one day to lay upto the quarterdeck and sign up.......Well I did it and the next morning several of us guys boarded the sub and it got underway......as soon as we got pass the break water the sub submerged.......

I can honestly tell you that was one of the worse experiences of my life.....It was miserably hot, crowded and stunk of diesel fuel....I was never so glad to get back in port and get the hell of that boat.....I had to throw my uniform away because the diesel fuel smell would not go away..........Now the new subs are not like that but they are not that much improved.......

Before I made that trip I was thinking about volunteering for sub duty.....That changed my mind for good..........
 
American said:
Leftwing concept of berthing aboard an LA class sub.

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Damn but those are some primitive sleeping quarters, and so inefficient, too!
 
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