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Navy will soon let women serve on subs

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Navy will soon let women serve on subs

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon has moved to lift a decades-old policy that prohibits women from serving aboard Navy submarines, part of a gradual reconsideration of women's roles in a military fighting two wars whose front lines can be anywhere.

At issue is the end of a policy that kept women from serving aboard the last type of ship off-limits to them. The thinking was that the close quarters aboard subs would make coed service difficult to manage.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates notified Congress in a letter signed Friday that the Navy intends to repeal the ban on women sailors on subs. Congress has 30 days to weigh in.

"He supports the Navy's efforts to change their policy," Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Tuesday.

A defense official told The Associated Press that numerous physical changes to submarines would have to be made, but that cadets who graduate from the Naval Academy this year could be among the first Navy women to take submarine posts.

Navy will soon let women serve on subs

I think the time has come to allow women to serve in all areas of the armed services, including subs.
 
The dirty part of my mind just came to the fore.

Must....resist....posting....further....
 
Waiting on Navy Pride to chime in! I'm gonna love this!
 
Navy will soon let women serve on subs



Navy will soon let women serve on subs

I think the time has come to allow women to serve in all areas of the armed services, including subs.

Stupid, dumb, misguided and bad.

That's what this idea is.

Subs are small, their crews, smaller. What happens when they lose a gal cause she's pregnant? Eh? Say... 2 weeks before deployment? Hard to replace her with a well trained person ready to go. Happened on the Inchon quite a few times, we'd deploy and have departments and divisions short manned cause of this. And now we'll lift the ban on SUBS!

Oh screw reality, readiness and all that mean evil ****, let's be PC!!!

Whatever, glad I'm out and more so glad I ain't on subs, this would just piss me right the **** off.

"We're sorry Petty Officer Vicchio, you're just gonna have to do more work and work harder cause Seaman Jones and White are both pregnant and can't deploy with us. We'll TRY to get someone on in Hawaii and you'll have plenty of time to train them up. I know I know, ya'll have 8 people and just lost 2, but hey we're a diverse Navy that doesn't discriminate, change your attitude mister!"


Sometimes, I REALLY hate people.
 
Stupid, dumb, misguided and bad.

That's what this idea is.

Subs are small, their crews, smaller. What happens when they lose a gal cause she's pregnant? Eh? Say... 2 weeks before deployment? Hard to replace her with a well trained person ready to go. Happened on the Inchon quite a few times, we'd deploy and have departments and divisions short manned cause of this. And now we'll lift the ban on SUBS!

Oh screw reality, readiness and all that mean evil ****, let's be PC!!!

Whatever, glad I'm out and more so glad I ain't on subs, this would just piss me right the **** off.

"We're sorry Petty Officer Vicchio, you're just gonna have to do more work and work harder cause Seaman Jones and White are both pregnant and can't deploy with us. We'll TRY to get someone on in Hawaii and you'll have plenty of time to train them up. I know I know, ya'll have 8 people and just lost 2, but hey we're a diverse Navy that doesn't discriminate, change your attitude mister!"

Sometimes, I REALLY hate people.

You and I agree on something. The day they allow women in Infantry, Armor and Special Ops, I will be pretty angry. No offense to any women, but this business just requires men.
 
Waiting on Navy Pride to chime in! I'm gonna love this!


I don't know if you guys have ever been on nuclear powered sub but there is no room on them......I got a tour of the USS OHIO a trident sub by the Chief of the Boat in 1981.....I can honestly tell you the only way women can serve on a subs if they have their own......The boats are so small the guys hot bunk on them (guys share racks). a surface ship is like a luxery llner when compared to a submarine......

A problem with having their own subs is and all women crew could not handle the physical requirements involved...........Another huge problem will be wth the wives of the guys serving on the subs........They will never put up with it....trust me...........
 
I agree.:clap:

I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.

Hope you are a strong girl.
 
I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.

Hope you are a strong girl.

Subs have P250 and P500 submersible pumps on them......they weigh about 150 lbs each.......A lot of guys can't carry them.......The only women who can would be amazons.....
 
I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.

Hope you are a strong girl.

Like female firefighters have to be strong?
 
I agree.:clap:

absolutely. who cares if more of our people die, so long as we back in the civilian world don't have to suffer from liberal guilt because somebody somewhere was still putting efficiency and mission accomplishment ahead of identity group politics?
 
However this ends up. My hope is that the Navy runs a thorough pilot program to test out the idea and if it works, great, if not, great. The mission is more important, but if it can be made to work, that is good too.
 
I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.

Hope you are a strong girl.
Seems to be a simple answer to this issue and the issue of pregnancies.

Only allow women who can do the job in question...to do the job.

Require mandatory birth control for those who would compromise the combat effectiveness of a unit by becoming pregnant.

Those who violate this last (by becoming pregnant) are discharged from the military.
 
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It takes a special kind of person to serve on a fast attack or a trident sub...When they go to sea they are underwater for up to 90 days....Never seeing the sunshine or the light of day.......I don't know why anyone would want to serve on one let alone a woman.....I have been out to sea for up to 90 days and that was bad enough but at least when knock off ships work was called at 1600 I could go back on the fantail of the ship and have a cup of coffee...Can't do that on a sub....
 
Navy will soon let women serve on subs



Navy will soon let women serve on subs

I think the time has come to allow women to serve in all areas of the armed services, including subs.
Down Periscope!
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You and I agree on something. The day they allow women in Infantry, Armor and Special Ops, I will be pretty angry. No offense to any women, but this business just requires men.

Oh my gosh, you big meanie! You're obviously a misogynistic homophobe...
 
Hey, I'm sure that plenty of submariners would be willing share their racks with women. It would bring new meaning to the expression "hot bunk".

You got that right............I truly believe the wives of the guys on the subs will have a huge impact on any decision to let women serve on subs......
 
What opposition would there be to subs manned (no pun intended) by an all-female crew? To my mind at least, that would solve most issues...
 
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I don't know if you guys have ever been on nuclear powered sub but there is no room on them......I got a tour of the USS OHIO a trident sub by the Chief of the Boat in 1981.....I can honestly tell you the only way women can serve on a subs if they have their own......The boats are so small the guys hot bunk on them (guys share racks). a surface ship is like a luxery llner when compared to a submarine......

A problem with having their own subs is and all women crew could not handle the physical requirements involved...........Another huge problem will be wth the wives of the guys serving on the subs........They will never put up with it....trust me...........


Let's put it this way....the Ohio is a BIG submarine. When it was sitting on the dock at EB, you could see it was enormous compared to the Los Angeles class boats built around it.
 
What opposition would there be to subs manned (no pun intended) by an all-female crew? To my mind at least, that would solve most issues...

My wife told me abotu the "alpha female" syndrome, where a strong female leader in a group can have an effect on other females in the group. I.E. they all PMS on HER scheduale. Now I have no clue if this is actually true, but do you REALLY want to chance a submarine where 5 days a month the women are in total bitch mode?
 
What opposition would there be to subs manned (no pun intended) by an all-female crew? To my mind at least, that would solve most issues...

There are a lot of situations aboard a sub that takes physical strength....Most women don't have it...
 
Subs have P250 and P500 submersible pumps on them......they weigh about 150 lbs each.......A lot of guys can't carry them.......The only women who can would be amazons.....

It'll be the TDU weight loads.

All the crew have to hand-to-hand those things down into the boat. We loaded them by the ton, and there were eight ten-pound steel disks in each box. They have to be handed down vertical ladders, and we lost the tallest man on the boat, because, naturally, he was placed at the bottom, and the man above him dropped a box. Didn't kill him, just destroyed his shoulder.

How many women are going to be standing at the bottom of THOSE ladders, hmmmm?

I got the COB to loan me three seamen so we could carry eight R-114 refill cylnders down from the McKee, the tender. They weighed forty-five pounds apeice, there wasn't a truck handy, and after we hiked them over, little old me had to climb into the damnedest places to hoist them into their stowage brackets. How much help is the lady Machinist's Mate going to need to do her job as the ships Air Conditioning technician?
 
There are a lot of situations aboard a sub that takes physical strength....Most women don't have it...
But people don't get that. It has become wrong to say that a women are not as strong as men. And that women can do the same as a man, they can't and that is considered offensive. Sometimes its the best thing to let men take care of thing like working in a sub. Gosh it boggles my mind:doh
 
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