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Navy will soon let women serve on subs

I doubt the kind of soldiers that serve on a sub would have such an urge for sex.

It's not like they spend their lives in the depths of the ocean, miles away from anything female. :2razz:

They've never had a chick on board, either.
 
Not rape councilers, no. For obvious reasons. I guess we're going to have to assign a shrink to every sub now, in case some chick get's raped, or harassed.

Doesn't need to be a rape counselor.
 
Isolated on a submarine that is at sea for several months? How does that happen, exactly?


I just can't see that being a healthy environment for a rape victim.

How would it be unhealthy? Would it be unhealthy for any other victim of violence? No.
 
She did fine in basic training, in a female unit, at female standards.

I don;t she could handle being a grunt everyday, after she loses all that muscle mass, because she isn't taking in the calories that she needs to maintain that physique.

I bet she could meet or exceed the same standards as a man. And you are assuming she doesn't do cardio training. Again, I think she could handle it if given the opportunity, because she probably would use the same energy and discipline to become good at the grunt work as she does at body building.
 
I'll post this question again, since no one wanted to touch it the first time.

What happens when a female sailor finds out she's 3 months pregnant, 2 months into a 6 month cruise? Make sure the pharmacy is stocked up on pre-natal vitamins and keep an OBGYN on board?

Mandatory birth control. Mandatory pregnancy tests prior to deployment. Problem solved.
 
Oh my! Are you suggesting that our military is actually breeding rapists? Gotta admit. That's a first.

Well not breeding exactly. They seem to be lacking training to help resolve this issue.

My point is soldiers staying in close quarters for long periods of time should be specifically trained in the ability to mentally and physical restrain their sexual desires & "cabin fever" aggression.

It's hard work but as a well disciplined solider it should be required. We should NOT design our Military around the acceptance of soldiers committing criminal acts against other soldiers.
 
Well not breeding exactly. They seem to be lacking training to help resolve this issue.

My point is soldiers staying in close quarters for long periods of time should be specifically trained in the ability to mentally and physical restrain their sexual desires & "cabin fever" aggression.

That's why the submarine service is all volunteer and candidates are selected based on certain personality traits.

It's hard work but as a well disciplined solider it should be required. We should NOT design our Military around the acceptance of soldiers committing criminal acts against other soldiers.


We can't, nor should we, make them into robots. Nor, do I think our military is designed around the acceptance of people who have a propencity to commit crimes against other soldiers. We're dealing with humans; it's going to happen; no way around it. If it were an impossibility, the UCMJ wouldn't exist. This is the military. It's mission is to protect the country, not serve a PR apparatus.
 
Mandatory birth control. Mandatory pregnancy tests prior to deployment. Problem solved.

Yeah, that'll last about 5 minutes...:rofl. The military can't force a female to take birth control.

It's amazing how some folks are prepared to throw soldiers's rights completely out the window to get their way.
 
Yeah, that'll last about 5 minutes...:rofl. The military can't force a female to take birth control.

It's amazing how some folks are prepared to throw soldiers's rights completely out the window to get their way.

What rights are being thrown away? There's no forcing. Merely acceptance of the requirements of their chosen VOLUNTARY service. Military service is VOLUNTARY. What branch you enter into is your CHOICE. Serving on a sub is VOLUNTARY. Serving on a sub requires that those serving on it follow certain guildlines, rules, and accept certain situations. One of those should be birth control and medical exams prior to deployment.

Next you're going to say it's a violation of their rights that they won't be allowed to see the sun for months. :roll:
 
I dont know if they can or can't but why shouldn't they?

Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?

What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?

See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.
 
Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?

Thats an absurd slippery slope argument that makes no sense, the issuance of birth control for the purpose of preventing accidental pregnancy has nothing to do with the army wishing to force people to take mind altering or experimental drugs. The army forcing mind altering drugs on people? Where do you get this?

What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?

What does birth control in the military have to do with religion? It is disliked by the religious because it is seen as a free ticket towards sinful sexual activity. There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place. Another absurd argument.

See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.

I'm sure allowing women to serve will lead to an experimental mind altering drug regime and the end of religious rights in the army...
 
Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs. Do you really want that environment to exist in our military?
If those drugs are beneficial and /or necessary for the success of a voluntary mission, yes.

What's going to happen when a female soldier refuses to take birth control for religious reasons? Do you support taking away our service members's freedom of religion, too?
No, merely their ability to work on a sub.

See how out of control this can become? And for what? So a few Liberal do-gooders can feel better about themselves? Hardly seems worth it, to me.
Nothing out of control at all. Don't want to use birth control? Don't want to be underwater for months? Don't want to be in cramped quarters? Don't want to share sleeping areas? Don't want to do the job? Don't volunteer to work on a sub. Pretty simple. Nothing out of control whatsoever.
 
Thats an absurd slippery slope argument that makes no sense, the issuance of birth control for the purpose of preventing accidental pregnancy has nothing to do with the army wishing to force people to take mind altering or experimental drugs. The army forcing mind altering drugs on people? Where do you get this?

It sets a precedence for forcing other soldiers to take drugs. Currently, soldiers have the right to refuse, as they should.



What does birth control in the military have to do with religion? It is disliked by the religious because it is seen as a free ticket towards sinful sexual activity. There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place. Another absurd argument.

If a female soldier, because of her religious beliefs, doesn't want to take virth control, then that is her right. To deny her that right, is to deny her her right to religious freedom.

There is no sexual activity allowed in the first place.

I would love for you to show the regulation that prohibits sex. Thanks in advance.


I'm sure allowing women to serve will lead to an experimental mind altering drug regime and the end of religious rights in the army...

Forcing a female to do something that is contrary to her religious beliefs is denying her religious freedom. It would be the same as forcing a Muslims soldier to eat pork, because that's what's for supper and it's either that, or go hungry.
 
If those drugs are beneficial and /or necessary for the success of a voluntary mission, yes.

it ain't gonna happen, so you might as well stop trying to argue for it...:rofl


No, merely their ability to work on a sub.

That would be religious discrimination.


Nothing out of control at all. Don't want to use birth control? Don't want to be underwater for months? Don't want to be in cramped quarters? Don't want to share sleeping areas? Don't want to do the job? Don't volunteer to work on a sub. Pretty simple. Nothing out of control whatsoever.

You're on target, accept for the birth control part.
 
I bet she couldn't hump a ruck all day, because body builders's bodies are so accustomed to getting alot of calories everyday and when her daily caloric intake is cut in half--which happens in the field--she'll be useless.

:doh She's a Marine. :2wave:

I'd bet my house on her over YOU any day.
 
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Because if they can order a female to take birth control, they can order everyother soldier to take anything else they may deem fit, even experimental drugs, or mind altering drugs.

Your penchant for absolutely absurd slippery slope arguments is showing. Next thing you know, there will be lesbian orgies and male-bondage on subs.

Good god. You should listen to yourself sometime. :roll:
 
Forcing a female to do something that is contrary to her religious beliefs is denying her religious freedom. It would be the same as forcing a Muslims soldier to eat pork, because that's what's for supper and it's either that, or go hungry.

Killing is against a some people's religious belief, those folks don't join the army. What if it were my religion to roll on shrooms every sunday? I wouldn't join the army because that would be hard to do. Is the army going to approve my shroom intake? I doubt it.

Your argument that mandating those on subs to take birth control is against religious freedom is a thin argument, your probably making it for the lack of one. If they have a religious problem with it then they can gtfo and be religiously ignorant elsewhere.

It sets a precedence for forcing other soldiers to take drugs.

Not really, its a hormone birth control. Not much of a drug really, i dont see how thats going to lead to forcing soldiers to take controlled substances which is outrageous even to the wildest imagination. Seriously what fantasy application is there for mind altering drugs in the military?

I would love for you to show the regulation that prohibits sex. Thanks in advance.

I dont know, I wasn't allowed to undergo sexual activity in basic I don't see why I would be allowed to have sex while on a sub. I don't know that much about the military, you're obviously the military smart pants here, not me.
 
As with any other assignment in the Army, it could change at any time. You have to be ready to go into the field at any time as a solider. In the end that is what you are medic or not.

So yes, there is an absolute need for it.

Depends on what you mean by field. Working in a field hospital would've been quite easy; but working as a combat medic would've required some serious physical re-training and at least 4 months training to change MOS's.

When I was in Korea, I was assigned to 8th Army and we never did PT, never ran, and never went to the field. The same couldn't be said for medics assigned to the 2nd Inf Div. Those guys did PT every day, ran 2 miles every day and were frequently in the field.
 
it ain't gonna happen, so you might as well stop trying to argue for it...:rofl
Psychic again?


That would be religious discrimination.
How in the **** would that be religious discrimination? What if your religion required that you worship daily in the sun. Would it be religious discrimination if they weren't allowed to do that on a sub that they VOLUNTEERED to serve on?

Of course not. The accusation is absurd.

They are not forced to serve in the military. They are not forced to serve on a sub. They are not forced to use birth control. If they choose to enter the military and choose to serve on a sub, then they would have to abide by certain rules. One of which should be birth control. THis is not discrimination. Rules for employment are not discrimination. They have a choice. Their religion is a choice, and their career is a choice.


You're on target, accept for the birth control part.
All of it is on target.
 
:doh She's a Marine. :2wave:

I'd bet my house on her over YOU any day.

After you do, you might wanna start looking for someplace to live, too.

Being a "Marine" doesn't mean jack ****. Because at the end of the day, she's a female Marine and got through the system meeting lower standards.
 
Psychic again?

No, experienced. You be sure and let me know when it happens. I won't hold my breath.



How in the **** would that be religious discrimination? What if your religion required that you worship daily in the sun. Would it be religious discrimination if they weren't allowed to do that on a sub that they VOLUNTEERED to serve on?

it would be religious discrimination, because you're telling a sailor that she can't serve, because of her religious beliefs.





All of it is on target.

All, but one...:rofl
 
Depends on what you mean by field. Working in a field hospital would've been quite easy; but working as a combat medic would've required some serious physical re-training and at least 4 months training to change MOS's.

LOL...if you're meeting PFT standards, there should be no need for physical re-training.

When I was in Korea, I was assigned to 8th Army and we never did PT, never ran, and never went to the field. The same couldn't be said for medics assigned to the 2nd Inf Div. Those guys did PT every day, ran 2 miles every day and were frequently in the field.

The reason I didn't count you as one of the veterans I mentioned.
 
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