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Texas man flies plane into IRS building

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Erod said:
Seems it was intentional after all. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
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That doesn't make it a terrorist attack.
 
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So he was a radical muslim who the FBI doesn't even identify as a terrorist, with no direct or even provable ties to any actual terrorist network, and with absolutely no proof that there was some giant over arching political message meant to be sent through it, nor that this was set up by a terrorist organization.

Nope. He's a radical islamist mass murdering, treasonous scum bag. However it wasn't "terrorism" in my eyes.

How you somehow think I'm giving this guy a pass or not calling him a spade a spade as if I'm just excusing him is hillarious. The man committed high treason and mass murder. Inappropriately labeling him a terrorist...or even if he was a terorrist...wouldn't somehow make him worse or lower in my mind. And not calling him a terrorist or thinking its terrorism doesn't mean I still don't think the ball was dropped in a variety of ways of picking up on warning signs of a severely disturbed and dangerous individual.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Hasan E-Mail to Radical Imam: 'I Can't Wait to Join You' in the Afterlife - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

And this is why you and I never get along. You are so determined to be "moderate" and "able to see the truth without being mired in ideology" that you refuse to call this scum bag, a Terrorist, nor his attack a terrorist event.

Call a spade a spade sir.

Are all muslims terrorist? Nope. Not at all. Are all muslims that commit mass murder after emails like the above? YES they are, and to say otherwise is dishonest to the core.
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Soldiers are still legitimate targets of war no matter the reason for the attack.

BACK ON TRACK, this guy's suicide note, from a psych101 standpoint, is one giant attempt to project his numerous mistakes onto others. It's the IRS' fault for fining him on his church scam. It's the IRS' fault he didn't file taxes because he assumed without income he didn't have to. He blames 9/11 security measures for his failing business.

Not once does he take any sort of real responsibility.
 
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Gibberish said:
What does Fort Hood have to do with this? Are you suggesting that because a crazy man shot people at Fort Hood that it increases the chance this is an intentional attack? Guilt by proximity?
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Before 911, there were a lot of young Arab men signing up for flight school, especially the ones who were interested in learning how to take off and fly the plane but not to land it.
 
Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

Joseph Andrew Stack was a 53 year old software engineer and was a licensed pilot. The plane he flew into the building was not stolen.

The Austin IRS office housed 190+/- employees.

The fire has been contained. Two people have been hospitalized and one remains unaccounted for. The pilot is presumed dead.

Two Air Force F-16's have been sent aloft.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
A more effective terrorist activity would be that wait outside the building and shoot the exact people you want to shoot as they're going to their cars at the end of the day. That would be cheaper, easier, and more effective. An added bonus would be that you wouldn't have to commit suicide carrying out the attack... ;)
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That wouldn't work because everyone would run back into the building, thus forcing the terrorist to enter building and still have to commit suicide.
 
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bhkad said:
Joseph Andrew Stack was a 53 year old software engineer and was a licensed pilot. The plane he flew into the building was not stolen.

The Austin IRS office housed 190+/- employees.

The fire has been contained. Two people have been hospitalized and one remains unaccounted for. The pilot is presumed dead.

Two Air Force F-16's have been sent aloft.
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Fox says "he did it because he had a beef with the IRS".

MSNBC says "he did it after a domestic dispute with his spouse".

MSNBC also says "pilot obviously dead", while Fox just about 5 minutes ago had a anchor say "we are getting reports of no fatalities... wow I can't believe the pilot survived".

edit- Fox now saying pilot is dead.
 
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505 said:
Fox says "he did it because he had a beef with the IRS".

MSNBC says "he did it after a domestic dispute with his spouse".

MSNBC also says "pilot obviously dead", while Fox just about 5 minutes ago had a anchor say "we are getting reports of no fatalities... wow I can't believe the pilot survived".

edit- Fox now saying pilot is dead.
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His manifesto indicates it's definitely a beef with the IRS.

The plane was apparently registered to him, how the hell does a guy with so much financial trouble buy an airplane? (EDITED: AC type reported earlier was incorrect. PA-28 Cherokee, if its old it could have been fairly cheap.
 
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Deuce said:
Precisely.

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Jihadist violence is not inherently terrorism, although there is often a political agenda or goal involved. In those cases, yes, it's terrorism.

Possible suicide note?
Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man... take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

(also possible hoax)

edit: Looks like, assuming this is a real letter, the guy tried to cheat on his taxes by setting up a fake church or something and got pissed when the IRS fined and jailed him for it. Then some other stuff about government bailing out the airlines with his tax dollars.
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Screen shots of same should the website go down.
 
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Of course, his "beef" with the IRS stems from being caught with a fake church loophole, and later not reporting his income from independent contracting, and failing to file a tax return...

Kinda like I would have a beef with the local police department after I get arrested for burglary.
 
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Want to thank Bhkad for the constant info update without slant or commentary. Definitely helps us poor saps stuck away from any decent news source :)
 
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Zyphlin said:
Want to thank Bhkad for the constant info update without slant or commentary. Definitely helps us poor saps stuck away from any decent news source :)
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Wonder why they launched F-16s...
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
That doesn't make it a terrorist attack.
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It is a terrorist attack, but not of the Islamic jihad variety.

It certainly wasn't just an "accident" as you suggested. I knew deep down it had to be intentional because if you've ever been on the outskirts of Austin, there's LOTS of room to crash land an airplane if you have to.
 
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505 said:
Fox says "he did it because he had a beef with the IRS".

MSNBC says "he did it after a domestic dispute with his spouse".

MSNBC also says "pilot obviously dead", while Fox just about 5 minutes ago had a anchor say "we are getting reports of no fatalities... wow I can't believe the pilot survived".

edit- Fox now saying pilot is dead.
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Often there are multiple factors converging when a person has a psychological breakdown like this. He was most likely financially overextended, owed taxes, had marital problems, and totally lost it in a fit of anger, hopelessness and despair.
 
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The amount of worthless self pity, refusal to accept personal responsability, and paranoia in this guys manifesto is making it hurt to even read.
 
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Deuce said:
Wonder why they launched F-16s...
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It's consistent with their responsibilities to protect against and/or prevent further danger from aloft.

Stack took off from small airfield, Georgetown Municipal Airport 20 -25 miles N. of crash.
 
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Zyphlin said:
The amount of worthless self pity, refusal to accept personal responsability, and paranoia in this guys manifesto is making it hurt to even read.
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It looks like he had a beef with the IRS over § 1706, defining whether a person is an employee or a contractor. He definitely wasn't alone in that, as it has been confusing to both the IRS and everyone else.

Of course, it doesn't excuse committing suicide and taking a bunch of other people with him. That's a coward's exit.
 
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Erod said:
It is a terrorist attack, but not of the Islamic jihad variety.

It certainly wasn't just an "accident" as you suggested. I knew deep down it had to be intentional because if you've ever been on the outskirts of Austin, there's LOTS of room to crash land an airplane if you have to.
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Yes, definitely is.
 
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Immediately after the crash a nearby Binswanger Glass Company truck was driving by and the driver, Robin Dehaven, used his ladder to enter the building and evacuate 5 survivors of the incident. (Fox News interview)
 
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Deuce said:
Wonder why they launched F-16s...
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NORAD launched two F-16 fighter jets from Ellington Field in Houston in response to small plane that crashed into a Austin, Texas office building. A spokesman with NORAD/ Northern Command calls the air patrol a "precaution" and tells Fox, "it's pretty evident this is not a terrorist event, but the F-16's will remain in the air until we are confident there is no further threat."

The jets were launched at 1142 ET, about 1 hour after the crash occurred.

Local authorities on the ground are calling this an "isolated incident" saying "there is no further need for alarm."
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F-16’s Patrolling Skies Over Crash Site Liveshots
 
Re: Plane crashes into Northwest Austin building (that houses the FBI)

Erod said:
It is a terrorist attack, but not of the Islamic jihad variety.

It certainly wasn't just an "accident" as you suggested. I knew deep down it had to be intentional because if you've ever been on the outskirts of Austin, there's LOTS of room to crash land an airplane if you have to.
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I never suggested it was an accident.
 
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Zyphlin said:
There's things that liberals have complained that conservatives have wrongfully blamed Obama for that I feel is completely legitimate.

In this case it'd be a shame for any conservative to try and blame Obama, especially before any facts came out, for something like this. That said, I'm not going to start scolding people for doing something that's purely theoritical stated by a guy who just grossly stereotyped all conservatives.

If someone actually does try to do it then conservatives should call their own on the absurdity of it. But so far that's not happened.
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How could this be Obama's fault? o_O
 
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Erod said:
It is a terrorist attack, but not of the Islamic jihad variety.
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NORAD begs to differ:

NORAD launched two F-16 fighter jets from Ellington Field in Houston in response to small plane that crashed into a Austin, Texas office building. A spokesman with NORAD/ Northern Command calls the air patrol a "precaution" and tells Fox, "it's pretty evident this is not a terrorist event, but the F-16's will remain in the air until we are confident there is no further threat."
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Pilot Crashes Into Texas Building in Apparent Anti-IRS Suicide - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

A pilot furious with the Internal Revenue Service crashed his small plane into an Austin, Texas, office building where nearly 200 federal tax employees work on Thursday, ignited a raging fire that sent massive plumes of thick, black smoke rising from the seven-story structure

Officials are investigating whether the pilot, identified as Joseph Andrew Stack, a 53-year-old software engineer, crashed the plane intentionally. Stack was confirmed dead.

At least one person who worked in the building was unaccounted for and two people were hospitalized, said Austin Fire Department Division Chief Dawn Clopton.


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It's sad that people get to the point they can't think straight. There must be a few good people working for the IRS that this nut put in jeopardy.

I hope the missing person turns up okay and the injured recover.

He could not have been in his right mind or he would have stolen a much larger plane and done some serious damage.

Government can make you crazy. Especially these days.
 
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