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Tea Party Movement Lights Fuse for Rebellion on Right

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This five page report in the NY Times describes how the fringe right is mobilizing under Glenn Beck and even the old John Birchers into a movement that is hording guns and canned goods in anticipation of a nationwide revolt. "We'll go to Washington and take back our country" they say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/us/politics/16teaparty.html?hp

My question - exactly how do these people believe they can walk out with firearms and "take back" anything? Exactly who will they be pointing the guns at, and under what circumstances could they possibly get any result other than arrest? There are a lot of people who imply that simply by showing up armed, they can get results. Please explain to me how this would ever work in the real world?
 
If they keep this up, maybe Obama will classify them as potential domestic terrorists and use the Patriot Act against them ;)
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
If they keep this up, maybe Obama will classify them as potential domestic terrorists and use the Patriot Act against them ;)
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I don't see why he would do that, I suspect they dream of such a thing in their paranoid imaginations.
 
The cherry picking here is typical.
 
WillRockwell said:
This five page report in the NY Times describes how the fringe right is mobilizing under Glenn Beck and even the old John Birchers into a movement that is hording guns and canned goods in anticipation of a nationwide revolt. "We'll go to Washington and take back our country" they say.

Tea Party Movement Lights Fuse for Rebellion on Right - NYTimes.com

My question - exactly how do these people believe they can walk out with firearms and "take back" anything? Exactly who will they be pointing the guns at, and under what circumstances could they possibly get any result other than arrest? There are a lot of people who imply that simply by showing up armed, they can get results. Please explain to me how this would ever work in the real world?
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And the Alabama professor that shot up her colleagues was said to be a radical left-winger who was obsessed with Obama.

‘Oddball’ portrait of Amy Bishop emerges - BostonHerald.com

A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed” with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.
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Meanwhile, your beloved Democrats are dropping out of races like flies on a bug zapper. Carry on.
 
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******* The Tea Party types will unfortunately play a role in upcoming GOP Primary's. It is probably not a helpful thing nationally for the GOP.

****** On the plus side however is that J.D.Hayworth might replace John McCain by a surge from the Right. It is time for McCain to go.
 
Zinc Route said:
******* The Tea Party types
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The "tea party types" are just your typical neighbors and colleagues, sorry to tell you. The liberal media are trying desperately to paint this movement as a terrorist Klan movement bent on eating babies, but it ain't working.

Much like global warming, the gig is up on the media. The more they attack this down-to-earth movement, who is trying simply to get Republicans politicians to act like conservatives and oust the radical left from government, the more strength it gains.

If it weren't working, do you honestly think Bayh, Biden, and Kennedy would have dropped out of their races? Would New Jersey have a conservative governor, and would a Republican won Kennedy's senate seat?
 
Erod said:
The "tea party types" are just your typical neighbors and colleagues, sorry to tell you. The liberal media are trying desperately to paint this movement as a terrorist Klan movement bent on eating babies, but it ain't working.

Much like global warming, the gig is up on the media. The more they attack this down-to-earth movement, who is trying simply to get Republicans politicians to act like conservatives and oust the radical left from government, the more strength it gains.

If it weren't working, do you honestly think Bayh, Biden, and Kennedy would have dropped out of their races? Would New Jersey have a conservative governor, and would a Republican won Kennedy's senate seat?
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So please tell me, if you can answer the question, how do "your typical neighbors and colleagues" intend to use firearms to overthrow the government. Details please, we've all heard the bloviated threats and Jefferson quotes. If these are intelligent people, my "neighbors", what gives them encouragement that "rising up" with firearms will get them anything but arrested?
 
***** I'm not that optimistic. If we prevail in the future as Conservatives it will be because those in the Center who are not ideological and will never post on any Forum like this have shifted our way once again - but it will not be because some Shining Thruth has finally broken through.

***** The Grim reality is that a lot of our current problems are either unfixable or the attempt at doing something will cause massive unrest and hardship to Millions. This is Why a few are bailing out . They see it's fiscally impossible because we are deadlocked and a lot of this is along Cultural lines. Passion has pushed aside common sense.


****** I'm sure most of the Tea Party people are Fine Citizens , just like those enamored of Sarah Palin - but both will forever remain a sub minority.

***** Also the GOP actually capturing either House this November will be Counterproductive. It will take pressure off of Obama. Please remember 1995 with Newt talking tough then caving.
 
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WillRockwell said:
So please tell me, if you can answer the question, how do "your typical neighbors and colleagues" intend to use firearms to overthrow the government. Details please, we've all heard the bloviated threats and Jefferson quotes. If these are intelligent people, my "neighbors", what gives them encouragement that "rising up" with firearms will get them anything but arrested?
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I don't know anyone fomenting a revolution. This is another sleaze attempt by the lunatic fringe left to smear the tea party movement with lies.
 
WillRockwell said:
So please tell me, if you can answer the question, how do "your typical neighbors and colleagues" intend to use firearms to overthrow the government. Details please, we've all heard the bloviated threats and Jefferson quotes. If these are intelligent people, my "neighbors", what gives them encouragement that "rising up" with firearms will get them anything but arrested?
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So let me get this straight. You believe a left-leaning rag hanging by a thread from bankruptcy is being honest about these people, who could not be less trusting of the Times' content and don't subscribe?

Do you really think all the people in that picture of Idahoans (is that what they're called) are going to grab their muskets, track to Washington, and start shooting up the place?

C'mon. This is a movement of everyday people who normally sit quietly and overly trust their government finally standing up to what they see is a dramatic and scary shift toward the Europeanization of America. Nothing more.

I suspect youre curmudgeonry is the result of watching your party's political power evaporating like a fart in a whirlwind.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't know anyone fomenting a revolution. This is another sleaze attempt by the lunatic fringe left to smear the tea party movement with lies.
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Well yeah... what else have they got to do?
 
WillRockwell said:
So please tell me, if you can answer the question, how do "your typical neighbors and colleagues" intend to use firearms to overthrow the government. Details please,
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They don't intend to, based on anything I have heard or read. Is there some kind of evidence to support this?
 
WillRockwell said:
So please tell me, if you can answer the question, how do "your typical neighbors and colleagues" intend to use firearms to overthrow the government. Details please, we've all heard the bloviated threats and Jefferson quotes. If these are intelligent people, my "neighbors", what gives them encouragement that "rising up" with firearms will get them anything but arrested?
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They don't and details indeed. Please answer the question if you can, how you arrived at the conclusion that the Tea Party intends to use firearms to overthrow the government? For a bonus you could throw in how you managed to arrive at that conclusion based upon the article you linked. I mean the article is pretty slanted and sprinkled with typical NYT hackery, but even this article from the NYT does not make the claim you have. So from where did you dream up that the Tea Party is going to use firearms to overthrow the government? Mr. Rogers' Bloviated Imagination Land?
 
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Sir Loin said:
They don't and details indeed. Please answer the question if you can, how you arrived at the conclusion that the Tea Party intends to use firearms to overthrow the government? For a bonus you could throw in how you managed to arrive at that conclusion based upon the article you linked? I mean the article is pretty slanted, but even this article from the NYT does not make the claim you have. So from where did you dream up that the Tea Party is going to use firearms to overthrow the government? Mr. Rogers' Bloviated Imagination Land?
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WR is just another example of a handful of leftwing extremists on this site who just flame and troll. They have neither serious concerns nor a sense of humor, and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Politicians are very concerned about the Tea Partiers, precisely because they are ordinary citizens and not a group controlled by extremists.
 
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WillRockwell said:
This five page report in the NY Times describes how the fringe right is mobilizing under Glenn Beck and even the old John Birchers into a movement that is hording guns and canned goods in anticipation of a nationwide revolt.
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Ahhh, now I see why WillRockwell is worried. "Hoarding guns and canned goods". That's what has you guys in an uproar? Hah!

Okay, let me try to put your minds at ease. "Hoarding" is not really what is happening. Obama was named "Top Gun Salesman of the Year" by an acquaintance of mine who owns a gun/arms business. With his election, gun sales went through the roof, not to prepare for armed revolt, but in anticipation that gun control legislation was much more likely with a Democrat control of the presidency and both houses of Congress. It has now tapered back off to normal levels because those who wanted guns have now purchased them.
As for storing food, I don't find anything abnormal about this, following the financial crisis we experienced in late 2008. When people go through upheavals in political landscape and concurrently the financial recession, many understand the possible implications long term. For many years, Mormons have been "preppers" (those who stay prepared for difficult times). I think that many people in this country became much more aware of what can happen in times of political and financial upheaval, and started storing non-perishables in case things continued to decline. There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about that.
 
American said:
WR is just another example of a handful of leftwing extremists on this site who just flame and troll. They have neither serious concerns nor a sense of humor, and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Politicians are very concerned about the Tea Partiers, precisely because they are ordinary citizens and not a group controlled by extremists.
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Oh I know exactly who WR is and recall with great amusement quite a few of his previously posted brainfarts. This is a pretty good sized one! Despite the fact that we usually only see his backside moving away at Warp speed when one of his "theories" gets debunked, I thought it would be funny to point out the complete lack of any claim that the Tea Party is planning on using firearms to overthrow the government in this article. Mostly because it is sooooooooooo asinine. But hey, maybe he can supply us with "details" about this! Chuckle.
 
lizzie said:
They don't intend to, based on anything I have heard or read. Is there some kind of evidence to support this?
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The coded calls for armed revolt are legion, and it would be easy to create a long list of citations with links. Since you will offer an excuse for every example I provide, I will save myself the research. I guess all these weapons are being horded to shoot squirrels.
 
Erod said:
And the Alabama professor that shot up her colleagues was said to be a radical left-winger who was obsessed with Obama.

‘Oddball’ portrait of Amy Bishop emerges - BostonHerald.com



Meanwhile, your beloved Democrats are dropping out of races like flies on a bug zapper. Carry on.
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Five posts into the thread and the hyper-partisans are already trying to change the subject.

I guess they are not comfortable talking about a potential split in the GOP.
 
WillRockwell said:
The coded calls for armed revolt are legion, and it would be easy to create a long list of citations with links. Since you will offer an excuse for every example I provide, I will save myself the research. I guess all these weapons are being horded to shoot squirrels.
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I just bet you will. :lol:
 
WillRockwell said:
I guess all these weapons are being horded to shoot squirrels.
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People buy guns for self-protection, for hunting, for sport-shooting, for competition matches. I bought mine for self-defense.

I'm not here to argue with you about an imaginary fear of armed revolt. If that's what you want to believe, you have that perrogative. I have not seen a single reliable source of information that indicates a revolt is in the works. Maybe at the ballot box, but not in the streets. Most gun owners who obtain their guns legitimately are reasonable and practical individuals. They don't want to fight, they don't want war, they abhor violence, but they readily defend themselves.
 
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WillRockwell said:
The coded calls for armed revolt are legion, and it would be easy to create a long list of citations with links. Since you will offer an excuse for every example I provide, I will save myself the research. I guess all these weapons are being horded to shoot squirrels.
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Please create "long list" with "citations"


Thank you.
 
WillRockwell said:
The coded calls for armed revolt are legion, and it would be easy to create a long list of citations with links. Since you will offer an excuse for every example I provide, I will save myself the research. I guess all these weapons are being horded to shoot squirrels.
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Translation: I made boom boom on carpet. My article does not contain the claim/charge that Tea Party members are planning to use firearms to overthrow the government, I am a seriously dishonest hack.

Yeah, we noticed.:cool:
 
hazlnut said:
I guess they are not comfortable talking about a potential split in the GOP.
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If that were going to happen, I suspect Biden, Kennedy, and Bayh just might have hung in a little longer.

The tea party is more making politicians accountable for the conservatism they campaign on, not creating a new political party.
 
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