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Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

Jerry said:
You're just being a thumbs-up whore by saying what people want to hear instead of addressing the sources presented :2wave:
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What sources have been presented? You linked some gun crap that is entirely irrelevant. I linked some crime stats. Catz linked types of rape, which does not disprove anything he said.
 
Jerry said:
You're just being a thumbs-up whore by saying what people want to hear instead of addressing the sources presented :2wave:
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No, I'm giving you accurate information rather than blaming the victim, and doing victims a disservice, which you seem to be doing. Truthfully Jerry, in reading what I have in this thread, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about... or you are doing another one of your "thought experiments." If it's the latter, it was a poor choice.
 
Redress said:
What sources have been presented?
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Ok what you just said was:
Redress said:
I'm not paying any attention to anything anyone is saying and am only here to stomp my foot and put men down so I feel better about myself.
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Unlike Capt'n C and yourself, some of us actually are reading the thread, and saw posts like these....
Catz Part Deux said:
IS it your claim that rapists select victims based upon their clothing? If so, you're mistaken and you understand very little about rape.

Interview: Ron Sanchez, Ph.D.
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Catz Part Deux said:
There are about 5 different typologies of rapists according to the FBI:

typologies
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Catz Part Deux said:
Typologies of rapists:

Power Reassurance: offender behaviors that suggest an underlying lack of confidence and inadequacy, or belief that the offense is consensual, expressed through minimal force and low confidence;

Power Assertive: offender behaviors that suggest an underlying lack of confidence and inadequacy, expressed through a need for control, mastery, and humiliation of the victim, while demonstrating authority;

Anger Retaliatory: offender behaviors that suggest a great deal of rage, either towards a specific person, group, institution or a symbol of either;

Sadistic: offender behaviors that suggest that the offender gets sexual gratification from victim pain and suffering;

Opportunistic: offender behaviors that suggest an offender who is out to satisfy immediate sexual impulses.

For about 4 of the 5 types of rapists, it is indeed about sex.

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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I'm giving you accurate information rather than blaming the victim, and doing victims a disservice, which you seem to be doing. Truthfully Jerry, in reading what I have in this thread, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about... or you are doing another one of your "thought experiments." If it's the latter, it was a poor choice.
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Uhh you haven't given any information there bud, just a little grandstanding is all :2razz:
 
Jerry said:
Ok what you just said was:


Unlike Capt'n C and yourself, some of us actually are reading the thread, and saw posts like these....
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1) Do not make up crap and attribute it to me in a quote box.

2) I addressed the link you referred to. Do try and keep up.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I'm giving you accurate information rather than blaming the victim, and doing victims a disservice, which you seem to be doing. Truthfully Jerry, in reading what I have in this thread, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about... or you are doing another one of your "thought experiments." If it's the latter, it was a poor choice.
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I think there is some responsibility, like knowing the people and knowing your surroundings.

It's not fool proof and it does not excuse the actions of a rapist.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think there is some responsibility, like knowing the people and knowing your surroundings.

It's not fool proof and it does not excuse the actions of a rapist.
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I do not know the stats, but a significant percentage of rapes are committed by people the women do know.
 
Redress said:
I do not know the stats, but a significant percentage of rapes are committed by people the women do know.
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I understand that and as a guy maybe it's different but no matter the income level or the overall class status of an individual, I can tell a scum bag from a decent person, more often than not.

That's why I also added location, if you think the person is weird, don't go somewhere alone with them.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I understand that and as a guy maybe it's different but no matter the income level or the overall class status of an individual, I can tell a scum bag from a decent person, more often than not.

That's why I also added location, if you think the person is weird, don't go somewhere alone with them.
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I find it hard to believe that you can tell a potential rapist by looking at them.
 
Redress said:
1) Do not make up crap and attribute it to me in a quote box.

2) I addressed the link you referred to. Do try and keep up.
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Since I wasn't referring to any single link, but to all sources in this thread, together with your lil demand that I do this or that with MY post, I think you just proved my point.

Now if you don't mind stepping out of the spot light for just a minute, some of us would like to address the topic :2wave:

Q: Are these crimes of opportunity?

Some rapists are like I said very impulsive. They might see a stranded motorist on the side of the road and just seize the opportunity in an impulsive act. Many of them are much more calculated and planning. As I've worked with rapists, I've asked them, "How do you go about gaining access to houses?" And many of them said that they would look for an open window or unlocked door and just go in the house. And I was amazed to find out how many houses that they encountered had doors unlocked. So I think a simple thing of locking your doors and windows is a deterrent. Anything that makes it more difficult that makes your house or you not a target can be a deterrent.

Q: What about prevention?

You know, in terms of prevention, I mean certainly you have the physical things that you can do and I don't think it sounds like I mean we can't. I mean that's really important. Not everyone leaves their windows open. But on the other hand. I mean gosh, I don't know how many I encounter, rapists that said they just walked right in. And that was amazing to me. I think people minimize that they think, "Oh, locking my doors and windows, that's nothing."

Interview: Ron Sanchez, Ph.D.
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While Ron Sanchez uses open doors and window as his example of ease of access and opportunity, I think it's clear that he is not saying that doors and windows are the lone types of access.

The 'don't look/act like a slut' argument is the same argument presented by Ron Sanchez, in that your clothes should not demonstrate that you are easy nor should your behavior act inviting. This is like leaving your front door wide open while sleeping naked in the front room with sex toys on the coffee table.

The fact that folks like yourself and rivrrat didn't jump all over Catz with accusations like "so if you don't close your front door it's all the woman's fault according to Ron Sanchez" is telling.

The rape victim in not perfectly blameless if she did not secure her home. She does share some amount of the blame for becoming a target.
 
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Jerry said:
Since I wasn't referring to any single link, but to all sources in this thread, together with your lil demand that I do this or that with MY post, I think you just proved my point.

Now if you don't mind stepping out of the spot light for just a minute, some of us would like to address the topic :2wave:
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Actually I was just calling you out for being an asshole as usual. Don't bother to report this, I will do it for you.


While Ron Sanchez uses open doors and window as his example of ease of access and opportunity, I think it's clear that he is not saying that doors and windows are the lone types of access.

The 'don't look/act like a slut' argument is the same argument presented by Ron Sanchez, in that your clothes should not demonstrate that you are easy nor should your behavior act inviting. This is like leaving your front door wide open while sleeping naked in the front room with sex toys on the coffee table.

The fact that folks like yourself and rivrrat didn't jump all over Catz with accusations like "so if you don't close your front door it's all the woman's fault according to Ron Sanchez" is telling.

The rape victim in not perfectly blameless if she did not secure her home. She does share some amount of the blame for becoming a target.
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It sounds like Ron Sanchez is about as dumb as you are. People doing stupid things does not make them at fault when some one else chooses to take advantage of them, and has jack to do with women walking to car after work and getting jumped, or getting raped at the end of a date, or any of the large number of rapes that are not break-ins.
 
Redress said:
People doing stupid things does not make them at fault when some one else chooses to take advantage of them...
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Uh, yes it does.

If some moron decides to run out in front of you, and you're driving with a suspended license, you are at fault even-though they are also at fault.

The only way for you to be innocent is to not be doing anything wrong at the time.
 
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Were the women who said: "some rape victims should take blame" all blonds?

There is never any excuse for rape and there is no such thing as asking for it.

Anyone who thinks so is unbalanced and in need of a mental health councilor and soon.
 
Councilman said:
There is never any excuse for rape and there is no such thing as asking for it.
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If you're being irresponsible, you're asking for **** to happen to you, and when it does it will be partially your fault.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.

Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.
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What's being stupid? Drunkenly going home with a stranger isn't that uncommon, you know...
 
If you get screwed in a business deal. It is your fault for trusting others when you should have been paying attention. If you get raped after you "started" it. It is their fault?
 
apdst said:
This is why polls, as evidence of anything, are bull****.
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What's why? That you can't believe it?

How do you know any better than a poll what the women of the UK think about rape?

There are good polls and bad polls.
 
Jerry said:
Fixed it for you :mrgreen:



You keep jumping back to these absolute statements :doh



Fixed it for you again :mrgreen:
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So now you're implying that women should psychically know who all the rapists are in the world and refrain from 'poking them with sticks'?

Jerry said:
The only way for you to be innocent is to not be doing anything wrong at the time.
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So being an attractive woman is 'poking a rapist with sticks' and 'doing something wrong', now?

I'm surprised you don't advocate forcing women to wear burquas. I mean, we wouldn't want to do anything 'wrong' by being visibly attractive.
 
Hatuey said:
If you get screwed in a business deal. It is your fault for trusting others when you should have been paying attention. If you get raped after you "started" it. It is their fault?
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Am I the only one who reads this and thinks... 'Huh?' :confused:
 
Jerry said:
If you're being irresponsible, you're asking for **** to happen to you, and when it does it will be partially your fault.
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Uh, no. I disagree.

As a responsible teenage girl, you can go out on date with a boy you've known for years. He's driving, goes somewhere OTHER than what he'd told you previously and proceeds to overpower you and rape you.

You scream for him to stop, no, bite, scratch and kick. Nothing stops him and in fact, this seems to drive him further and further past the point of rationality.

He finishes, takes the responsible teenage girl home.

So. This is her fault as well as his?

I don't think so.
 
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