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Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

One's self respect has absolutely nothing to do with being the victim of a violent crime.

Your implication that a person who is lacking self respect (in YOUR eyes) is somehow responsible for someone enacting a violent crime upon them is insulting, at best.

So you're saying since the bar looked a lot like a kitchen she thought she was in her place.....well I guess if she were also barefoot I could understand how you think she was merely confused....but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
 
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So you're saying since the bar looked a lot like a kitchen she thought she was in her place.....well I guess if she were also barefoot I could understand how you think she was merely confused....but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

Troll status confirmed.

But by all means, continue to show examples of when it's ok to rape someone.
 
Obviously, if you leave your house you increase your chance of bad things happening to you. I mean, if someone gets hit by a car, they must have been near where cars were, right? If they hadn't been near the street... they wouldn't have been hit. So they must take responsibility for being hit by a car.

This is bull****, and you know it.



It's not bull****. Of course there are risks that come with simply walking out your front door, however a person with an average amount of common sense does things to avoid the risk of being victimized and reduces the risk of being the victim of a freak accident. Therefore, if one crosses the street against the light, or jay-walks, then they take personal responsibility for increasing the risk of being hit by a car.

Rapists come in all shapes and sizes. They are not all 'trashy' guys who hang out in low-life bars just waiting to snatch up some drunk girl who is flashing her tits and hitting on everyone.

You use of, "all", doesn't accurately respond to what I'm saying, because I never once made any absolute statements. But, you seem to believe that all women who get raped are in no way responsible for putting themselves in that position and we both know that that's not true.
 
But by all means, continue to show examples of when it's ok to rape someone.

Well, according to the Rivrrat, rape just happens. It's like fishing: it doesn't matter if you put bait on the hook or not, where you cast or what time of day it is. Fish will either jump out of the water and into your boat or they wont, and there's nothing you can do about it either way.
 
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I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.

The rapist is to blame, every time. Rape is, by definition, sex without consent. The person who chooses to force sex without consent is at fault. That is a nonissue.

Are there things women can do to reduce risk? Of course. But that does not mean that the person who forces sex without permission is still 100 % to blame. The reasons some one forces sex without permission are irrelevant.
 
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Whenever something bad happens to you there are always ways to avoid it, sure.

It's easy to look at a situation after it's happened - or when it didn't happen to you - and think "If you had just said ___. Or if they had just ___." Even things like "If that happened to me I would have ___."

But things are never that simple when you are IN the situation.
no, sometimes bad things happen regardless of any precautions you might take.
 
The rapist is to blame, every time. Rape is, by definition, sex without consent. The person who chooses to force sex without consent is at fault. That is a nonissue.

Are there things women can do to reduce risk? Of course. But that does not mean that the person who forces sex without permission is still 100 % to blame. The reasons some one forces sex without permission are irrelevant.

In date rape cases it is normally a factual dispute as to whether consent was given or withdrawn and if withdrawn, when.
 
Let's try this comparison on for size:

I'm in Harlem. I'm holding a sign that says, "I hate niggers". I get my ass kicked, or even get killed. It's not ok to kill me, but I have to take responsibility for putting myself in a position for something bad happening to me. Sometimes women who get raped, are guilty of the same thing.
 
Which assumption is that? My own assumptions are more or less the exact opposite of what you've stated here, so...
the assumption that the way a woman dresses can cause a man to rape.
 
Reminds me of an ole gal I used to know. She went out with a guy that exhibited all the signs of a sexual preditor; was even warned by people who knew him that he had been known to be forceful; then was all shocked and horrified when he raped her.

No, it's not her fault, per say, but she didn't employ enough common sense to keep herself out of that position.
it not her fault at all, not just per se.
 
In date rape cases it is normally a factual dispute as to whether consent was given or withdrawn and if withdrawn, when.

We are talking about 2 different things. I am saying, if it is rape, then the person to blame is the rapist. You are saying in some cases, whether it is rape is not clear. See the difference?
 
Well, according to the Rivrrat, rape just happens. It's like fishing: it doesn't matter if you put bait on the hook or not, where you cast or what time of day it is. Fish will either jump out of the water and into your boat or they wont, and there's nothing you can do about it either way.
do you not get that rape is about power, not sex?
 
Just to inject an alternative perspective here...

There was a rape case in my community where a very drunken woman left a bar with a stranger, went to his car, and was raped.

Do I blame her for being raped? No. The guy was a rapist, and is 100% culpable for his actions.

However, she's 100% responsible that it was her. Women who exercise poor judgement make it more likely that they will become a victim.

One thing that is really interesting about rape is that some women are victimized more often than others. Rape is not distributed evenly through the population.

Rape and Sexual Assault

While 56%, or an estimated 6.8 million women experienced only one rape, 39% or an estimated 4.7 million, were raped more than once; and five percent were unsure as to how many times they were raped.

Rapists are rapists, but women have varying risks of becoming a victim based upon their own actions. Leaving a bar, intoxicated, with a stranger...is definitely going to increase your odds of being a victim. Some high risk behaviors expose women to a considerable risk of rape.
 
Just to inject an alternative perspective here...

There was a rape case in my community where a very drunken woman left a bar with a stranger, went to his car, and was raped.

Do I blame her for being raped? No. The guy was a rapist, and is 100% culpable for his actions.

However, she's 100% responsible that it was her. Women who exercise poor judgement make it more likely that they will become a victim.

One thing that is really interesting about rape is that some women are victimized more often than others. Rape is not distributed evenly through the population.

Rape and Sexual Assault



Rapists are rapists, but women have varying risks of becoming a victim based upon their own actions. Leaving a bar, intoxicated, with a stranger...is definitely going to increase your odds of being a victim. Some high risk behaviors expose women to a considerable risk of rape.
now wait a minute......5% were unsure of how many times they were raped? blackouts, or what. jeez.
 
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Let's try this comparison on for size:

I'm in Harlem. I'm holding a sign that says, "I hate niggers". I get my ass kicked, or even get killed. It's not ok to kill me, but I have to take responsibility for putting myself in a position for something bad happening to me. Sometimes women who get raped, are guilty of the same thing.

In that case, you are responsible for being a dumbass(note this refers to the hypothetical, I am not calling apdst a dumbass outside of that). Those who kicked your ass are 100 % responsible for assault. Your being a dumbass in that hypothetical does not change who is responsible for the assault.
 
now wait a minute......5% were unsure of how many times they were raped? balckouts, or what. jeez.

That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.

Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.
 
That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.

Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.
i don't disagree at all. but i don't feel any less sympathy for a woman who was raped because she was stupid.

and to the op, the way a woman dresses really doesn't have much impact on who gets raped, imo.
 
In that case, you are responsible for being a dumbass(note this refers to the hypothetical, I am not calling apdst a dumbass outside of that). Those who kicked your ass are 100 % responsible for assault. Your being a dumbass in that hypothetical does not change who is responsible for the assault.

And, those responsible for the assault aren't responsible for me being a dumbass, either.
 
That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.

Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.

Double thanks!!
 
do you not get that rape is about power, not sex?

Do you get that lethal force is authorized to prevent a rape?

How many people here oppose concealed carry?

You you oppose concealed carry, you therefore necessarily support rape.
 
And, those responsible for the assault aren't responsible for me being a dumbass, either.

That is correct.

Each is 100 % responsible for their actions. A woman who puts herself in a risky situation is responsible for being an idiot. A guy who rapes her is entirely to blame for his actions, the rape.
 
Do you get that lethal force is authorized to prevent a rape?

How many people here oppose concealed carry?

You you oppose concealed carry, you therefore necessarily support rape.

You should not have to carry a gun to feel safe.
 
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