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Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

ptif219 said:
At that age sex is not a factor.Why do schools get to decide at what age this is taught.

I would say 5th grade would be soon enough and I am sure most parents will already have explained it to the kids.

Problem is the gays don't want Christian parents bringing morality in to the discussion.
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Gays don't want parents to explain it to their kids, they want to do it their way which will be 180 out.........
 
ptif219 said:
At that age sex is not a factor.Why do schools get to decide at what age this is taught.
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Because parents aren't doing their job in teaching this stuff to their children. And it is understandable, because the sex talk that parents have with their kids is uncomfortable for both parties.

I would say 5th grade would be soon enough and I am sure most parents will already have explained it to the kids.
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Obviously you are going to explain sex to a 5th grader far differently than you would to a kid in kindergarten. As CC said earlier, it is most likely from a very limited biological viewpoint, without going in depth into stuff that is more lude and potentially offensive.

Problem is the gays don't want Christian parents bringing morality in to the discussion.
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And with good reason. I can see if it is a Christian school, but why should Christianity's particular brand of morality be taught at a public school?
 
Navy Pride said:
Gays don't want parents to explain it to their kids, they want to do it their way which will be 180 out.........
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Where is your proof for this? Do you have your finger on the pulse of the gay community and somehow know what they are thinking?
 
ptif219 said:
At that age sex is not a factor.Why do schools get to decide at what age this is taught.

I would say 5th grade would be soon enough and I am sure most parents will already have explained it to the kids.

Problem is the gays don't want Christian parents bringing morality in to the discussion.
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I know I wouldn't want morality to be brought into ANY discussion about science and facts.

We are talking about sex education, here. This is about discussing factual information. It is the church's and the parents' responsibility to bring morals into any of these issues. It is the school's responsibility to present information.
 
disneydude said:
BS....Mormon propoganda.
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Father Jailed Opposing Gay Education For Kindergarten Son

For David Parker, the first alarm went off in January, when his 5-year-old son came home from his kindergarten class at Lexington's Joseph Estabrook School with a bag of books promoting diversity.

Inside were books about foreign cultures and traditions, along with food recipes. There was also a copy of ''Who's In a Family?" by Robert Skutch, which depicts different kinds of families, including same-sex couples raising children.

The book's contents concerned Parker and prompted him to begin a series of e-mail exchanges with school officials on the subject that culminated in a meeting Wednesday night with Estabrook's principal and district director of instruction. The meeting ended with Parker's arrest after he refused to leave the school, and the Lexington man spent the night in jail.

Yesterday, Parker was arraigned in Concord District Court on one count of trespassing, and a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf. Bail was set at $1,000, and Parker was freed after being ordered to stay off Lexington school property. He is due back in court June 1.

Parker and his wife, Tonia, 34, who was also in court yesterday, said the dispute arose because they asked school officials to notify them about classroom discussions about same-sex marriage and what they called other adult themes. They also wanted the option to exclude their boy, now 6, from those talks.

Parker said he met with school officials to gain those assurances and then refused to leave until he got them. Parker stayed at Estabrook School for more than two hours, according to Superintendent William J. Hurley, as officials and Lexington police urged him to leave. Finally, they arrested him for trespassing.
 
Navy Pride said:
Gays don't want parents to explain it to their kids, they want to do it their way which will be 180 out.........
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Firstly, you have no proof of this. Secondly, not gays, not me, not you can control what parents say to their kids.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Very true, and I think a lot of the paranoia surround sexual education for children that young is based on people thinking that they will be teaching kids about lude and disgusting things. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case. They will teach the kids what they can handle at that age.
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It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.
 
ptif219 said:
It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.
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And this comment is nothing but overdramatic propaganda. The sky is NOT falling.
 
ptif219 said:
It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.
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Indoctrination for what? Letting people know they exist? Wanting to be treated the same as anyone else? I know...that's some pretty insidious stuff. :doh
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Because parents aren't doing their job in teaching this stuff to their children. And it is understandable, because the sex talk that parents have with their kids is uncomfortable for both parties.

Show proof. Why does a kindergarten child need to be taught if they have questions they will ask.

Obviously you are going to explain sex to a 5th grader far differently than you would to a kid in kindergarten. As CC said earlier, it is most likely from a very limited biological viewpoint, without going in depth into stuff that is more lude and potentially offensive.

It is not about sex in kindergarten but more about it is ok to be gay and that is normal. Many parents would not agree and schools should not have the right to teach what is moral and what is not that is the parents job.

And with good reason. I can see if it is a Christian school, but why should Christianity's particular brand of morality be taught at a public school?
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Than why should teachers say it is normal and promote that as moral? The parents should teach this not schools.
 
ptif219 said:
Father Jailed Opposing Gay Education For Kindergarten Son

For David Parker, the first alarm went off in January, when his 5-year-old son came home from his kindergarten class at Lexington's Joseph Estabrook School with a bag of books promoting diversity.

Inside were books about foreign cultures and traditions, along with food recipes. There was also a copy of ''Who's In a Family?" by Robert Skutch, which depicts different kinds of families, including same-sex couples raising children.

The book's contents concerned Parker and prompted him to begin a series of e-mail exchanges with school officials on the subject that culminated in a meeting Wednesday night with Estabrook's principal and district director of instruction. The meeting ended with Parker's arrest after he refused to leave the school, and the Lexington man spent the night in jail.

Yesterday, Parker was arraigned in Concord District Court on one count of trespassing, and a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf. Bail was set at $1,000, and Parker was freed after being ordered to stay off Lexington school property. He is due back in court June 1.

Parker and his wife, Tonia, 34, who was also in court yesterday, said the dispute arose because they asked school officials to notify them about classroom discussions about same-sex marriage and what they called other adult themes. They also wanted the option to exclude their boy, now 6, from those talks.

Parker said he met with school officials to gain those assurances and then refused to leave until he got them. Parker stayed at Estabrook School for more than two hours, according to Superintendent William J. Hurley, as officials and Lexington police urged him to leave. Finally, they arrested him for trespassing.
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Firstly, the article title is a complete misrepresentation. The father was NOT jailed for opposing gay education in kindergarten. He was jailed for trespassing. Secondly, gay education was NOT being taught. DIVERSITY was, families with other races and other sexualities. Was this appropriate for kindergarten? There seems to be no sexual themes involved, but I would need to look at the book for a complete determination. I've seen books like this and they have been completely benign.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Indoctrination for what? Letting people know they exist? Wanting to be treated the same as anyone else? I know...that's some pretty insidious stuff. :doh
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They'll find out soon enough without it being taught in the classroom.....;)
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I know I wouldn't want morality to be brought into ANY discussion about science and facts.

We are talking about sex education, here. This is about discussing factual information. It is the church's and the parents' responsibility to bring morals into any of these issues. It is the school's responsibility to present information.
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No you must not understand.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Firstly, you have no proof of this. Secondly, not gays, not me, not you can control what parents say to their kids.
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The problem is confusing a young child with 2 different ways of what a gay is and if they are a good and normal lifestyle.
 
ptif219 said:
Show proof. Why does a kindergarten child need to be taught if they have questions they will ask.
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Obviously the parents aren't doing their job in this department because the schools are teaching this stuff. The same goes for sexual education. If parents were collectively responsible enough to teach their kids this stuff the schools wouldn't need to.

It is not about sex in kindergarten but more about it is ok to be gay and that is normal. Many parents would not agree and schools should not have the right to teach what is moral and what is not that is the parents job.
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Well, I hate to break this to you, but it is okay to be gay. Would you mind showing me where it states in our federal laws that it isn't okay?

Than why should teachers say it is normal and promote that as moral? The parents should teach this not schools.
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I don't recall any teachers saying it is normal or abnormal. They are teaching kids about diversity.
 
ptif219 said:
Than would should teachers say it is normal and promote that as moral? The parents should teach this not schools.
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Do you REALLY want to get into a discussion about "normal" again? I would drop that, if I were you. A school's responsibility in this matter is to teach what exists without moral implications. Since homosexuality is NOT an illness, and though not typical from a statistical sense, it is not an abnormal type of sexuality or relationship, portraying it as "normal" is completely within the parameters of a school setting. Morality and values determine "normal".
 
ptif219 said:
The problem is confusing a young child with 2 different ways of what a gay is and if they are a good and normal lifestyle.
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From a scientific and informational perspective, being gay is a good and normal lifestyle. From a moral and values oriented perspective... that is up to the individual or family. The former is the school's responsibility; providing information. The latter is the individual/family responsibility.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Indoctrination for what? Letting people know they exist? Wanting to be treated the same as anyone else? I know...that's some pretty insidious stuff. :doh
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That they are normal and being gay is good. Many parents would teach that gay is immoral. That is the parents right and schools have no business giving teachings that interfere with that at such a young age.
 
ptif219 said:
It is fact
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That you are presenting overdramatic propaganda? Absolutely. That your overdramatic propaganda is accurate? Absolutely not. Provide evidence.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Firstly, the article title is a complete misrepresentation. The father was NOT jailed for opposing gay education in kindergarten. He was jailed for trespassing. Secondly, gay education was NOT being taught. DIVERSITY was, families with other races and other sexualities. Was this appropriate for kindergarten? There seems to be no sexual themes involved, but I would need to look at the book for a complete determination. I've seen books like this and they have been completely benign.
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He was arrested for not wanting gay being taught. He did not want his son taught that being gay is good and normal.
 
ptif219 said:
That they are normal and being gay is good.
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From a scientific/factual standpoint, this is accurate.

Many parents would teach that gay is immoral. That is the parents right and schools have no business giving teachings that interfere with that at such a young age.
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It is the parents job to teach morality. The school provides the information.
 
ptif219 said:
That they are normal and being gay is good. Many parents would teach that gay is immoral. That is the parents right and schools have no business giving teachings that interfere with that at such a young age.
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Show me where in the curriculum it says that being gay is good. And I'm not even going to get into an argument about normal and the fact that it is a subjective term.
 
ptif219 said:
He was arrested for not wanting gay being taught. He did not want his son taught that being gay is good and normal.
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Read the article. He was arrested for trespassing.
 
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The meeting ended with Parker's arrest after he refused to leave the school, and the Lexington man spent the night in jail.
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