3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

PogueMoran said:

Ah so youre going from something years ago that was a state issue and trying to make it federal. He also stated that it was up to the states and local governments to choose their gun laws. The brady center just gave him an F for his first year in office in regards to gun control. Despite your paranoia Obama has not taken away your handguns. In fact just this las year he signed a Reagan era repeal that originally kept loaded guns out of national parks. Signed a repeal of post 9/11 policies to keep guns out of checked baggage on amtrak.

Where is this great handgun ban you're clammoring about? The NRA and gun groups are always campaigning against democrats. They campaigned hard against Gore even when they gave him an A rating. Irrational fear and paranoia aside your statement that this was the most antigun ticket in history isnt supported by the facts. Just as your statement about him hating guns then just hating gunowners doesnt stand up to reality.

Nice try turtle dig deeper.

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EnigmaO01 said:

Quit hijacking the thread! And yeah I know you're not the only one.

I'm not to impressed with the moderation here right now either. :roll:

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PogueMoran said:

You never heard Obama saying he wanted to ban all guns. Prove that statement. Again I've posted both Kerry and Obama's gun records. Yeah but Kerry has more anti gun votes than Obama. But then you wanted to jump and say well Biden had more. So Biden and Kerry had the same amount just about and Edwards had more than Obama. So your statement that this was the most antigun ticket is ludicrous. Prove you're right.

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TurtleDude said:

The NRA supported then Freshman congressman Ted Strickland (D-Ohio) because he voted against the Clinton-Biden Gun ban in 1994 so they endorsed him over the GOP candidate in November 94.

They endorsed Dem John Dingell for decades. They most likely will support Governor Strickland over GOP candidate Cave in Kasich-the GOP wimp who changed sides to support the clinton-biden Gun ban

I get the fact that you are an Obama apologist but the fact is your boy supported a complete ban on handguns when he was a state politician. I suspect the only reason why he changed that nonsense was he realized it would prevent him from winning the presidency

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Avoid Columbine via gun control, values & character ed
Saying America is “still wrestling with the lessons of Columbine,” Bush today called for tougher enforcement of gun laws and a greater emphasis on character education as the way to promote school safety. “Today is the sad anniversary of a terrible tragedy-a tragedy that shattered our sense of safety and security-a tragedy that hit home for every parent and every child and every school in America,” Bush said. “A year later, America is still wrestling with the lessons of Columbine,” Bush continued. “Strict enforcement of tough laws is important. But ultimately, the safety of our children depends on more than laws. It depends on the values we teach them and the kind of culture we create and condone.”

* Governor Bush has proposed a series of proposals to reduce school violence in his campaign, includingromoting character education in public schools.
* Enforcing gun laws and holding states & schools accountable for keeping students safe.

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Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips

* Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
* Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
* Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
* Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
* Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
* Supports voluntary safety locks
* Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens

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Ethereal said:

Obama is a Chicago politician. That means he hates guns by definition. The only reason he isn't pursuing that agenda is because he's too busy failing at other things. Another giant blunder is the last thing he needs right now...

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PogueMoran said:

Ah so because you say it it must be true. Do you have any quotes from him saying "I hate guns".

Sounds like an excuse you're pushing. Maybe it could be that the paranoia people like turtle have is unfounded.

But lets get back on subject now that Turtle's claim that Obama had the most anti-gun ticket in history has been debunked. What does Obama have to do with this shooting?

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The Mark said:

The shooter was apparently an avid (rabid?) Obama supporter.

Or so someone said, don't remember who or where.

Edit: So, basically, nothing.

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PogueMoran said:

And so were the people she shot. Obama had nothing to do with her motives like others have tried to make it out to be in this thread. It's just useless trivia that had nothing to do with the incident.

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PogueMoran said:

We're talking presidential races not Governor races. When has the NRA ever supported the Democratic candidate and not campaigned hard against it?

Obama apologist? Excuse me Turtle but when you say incorrect things like The Obama-Biden ticket was the most antigun in history, I'm going to correct it. It wasn't true no matter how much you repeat it. Obama has stated in his speeches that gun control is a state and local issue. I see its some magic conspiracy. Maybe you can tell me why then did George W. Bush support the Assault Weapons Ban when he was running for president?

George W. Bush on Gun Control




So who was George W. appealing to back then?

Again where did Obama say he hated gunowners? You stated that earlier now you're backing away from it.

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TurtleDude said:

well since the NRA got in the endorsement business the dem candidate for president has always been far more anti gun than the GOP. But since the NRA has endorsed dems over GOpers on other races that proves that the NRA's position is to endorse pro gun candidates not GOP candidates. However, generally GOP candidates are more pro gun than dems.

If you support banning handguns, banning semi auto rifles, supporting law suits against gun makers, appointing anti gunners to prominent positions (like Eric Holder who submitted an amicus brief supporting the DC gun ban) it is a pretty good argument you hate gun owners or want to harass them. You can apologize for Bambo all you want and pretend he doesn't hate gun owners because he hasn't said that exact phrase but the rest of us see your dishonest evasions for what they are.

If someone comes out and argues Blacks should serve longer prison sentences for whites for the same offenses, that blacks should be excluded from top tier public universities no matter what their grades etc, you could conclude the person is anti black even if he doesn't say he hates blacks.

and you have not come close to disproving my (and the NRA, the GOA, and the Second Amendment foundation) claim that the Obama Biden ticket was -at the time they ran for office-the most anti gun owner major party ticket in history.

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