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U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

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kansaswhig said:
It should be noted that this young, disturbed Soldier was never trained in any capacity to interrogate any prisoner, let alone conduct "waterboarding".

He is a child abuser, period. The fact that the OP insinuates that he somehow learned this technique of interrogation on active duty is beyond ridiculous.
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Excuse me? Where does the OP say that?
 
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towski said:
Excuse me? Where does the OP say that?
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Right here:

U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet
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The title of the article was obviously meant to besmirch this dude because he is a veteran, not because he's some child abusing piece-a-****. He would be a child abusing piece-a-**** even if he hadn't ever served in the military.

Personally, I'm surprised that someone hasn't started blaming Bush, but it's still early.
 
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apdst said:
Right here:



The title of the article was obviously meant to besmirch this dude because he is a veteran, not because he's some child abusing piece-a-****. He would be a child abusing piece-a-**** even if he hadn't ever served in the military.

Personally, I'm surprised that someone hasn't started blaming Bush, but it's still early.
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Frankly, I'd have been perfectly happy to have posted "Piece of **** waterboards his own daughter". However, being new to the forum, I careful reviewed the rules for posting in the breaking news forum, which stated that I am required to submit the title of the article in question as the thread title. The fact that the man happens to have served in the military certainly makes the story more news worthy, as so much debate has focused on the technique of waterboarding as used by our forces, but the insinuation that my OP was intended to insinuate that he took his actions BECAUSE of his military service is patently false, and insulting.
 
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towski said:
Frankly, I'd have been perfectly happy to have posted "Piece of **** waterboards his own daughter". However, being new to the forum, I careful reviewed the rules for posting in the breaking news forum, which stated that I am required to submit the title of the article in question as the thread title. The fact that the man happens to have served in the military certainly makes the story more news worthy, as so much debate has focused on the technique of waterboarding as used by our forces, but the insinuation that my OP was intended to insinuate that he took his actions BECAUSE of his military service is patently false, and insulting.
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I think it would have been just as newsworthy without that idiotic headline, but the reason for writing this article has nothing to do with some child abusing piece-a-**** submerging his kid's head underwater. Which, by the way, isn't waterboarding. It's water immersion, two different techniques.
 
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Hatuey said:
Which is what? Enlighten me with your emotional response.
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Obviously.....ths difference is that the 4 year old is very likely to have information vital to the national intereests of the United States. She would...at 4 years old...have life or death information that would be critical to extract as soon as possible and under extreme duress if necessary.

Putting her on restriction was clearly not enough. It's obvious between the g and h in the alphabet she couldn't recite...that there was secret info on training camps and networks of murdering religious fanatics. Threatened with having no iPhone upon growing up, she started to crack but....only got to the f in the alphabet.

The difference is that KSM was an innocent Mosque assessment engineer who was praying for peace when Pakistan troops burst down his door and sold him to Americans for drug money. Whereupon the monster Bush threw him into a hole and stole his human rights.

This...girl...is clearly a traitor and a terrorist. The difference, Hatuey, is that most people don't care about this lil 4 year old Benedict Arnold. Your fears and sympathy in the correct place here, your query "which is what" quite sound
 
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Charles Martel said:
Obviously.....ths difference is that the 4 year old is very likely to have information vital to the national intereests of the United States. She would...at 4 years old...have life or death information that would be critical to extract as soon as possible and under extreme duress if necessary.

Putting her on restriction was clearly not enough. It's obvious between the g and h in the alphabet she couldn't recite...that there was secret info on training camps and networks of murdering religious fanatics. Threatened with having no iPhone upon growing up, she started to crack but....only got to the f in the alphabet.

The difference is that KSM was an innocent Mosque assessment engineer who was praying for peace when Pakistan troops burst down his door and sold him to Americans for drug money. Whereupon the monster Bush threw him into a hole and stole his human rights.

This...girl...is clearly a traitor and a terrorist. The difference, Hatuey, is that most people don't care about this lil 4 year old Benedict Arnold. Your fears and sympathy in the correct place here, your query "which is what" quite sound
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So then it is not torture? Got it. At least you are consistent.
 
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Hatuey said:
So then it is not torture? Got it. At least you are consistent.
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No, it's child abuse.
 
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apdst said:
No, it's child abuse.
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So then when it is done to adults it is assault and thus illegal? ;)
 
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Hatuey said:
So then when it is done to adults it is assault and thus illegal? ;)
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I think anyone ever said that this wasn't illegal. Only that, "...for 8 years we were constantly told that waterboarding was not torture.", didn't cause this.
 
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Hatuey said:
So then it is not torture? Got it. At least you are consistent.
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Was torture for her. She's 4.

For a cutthroat terrorist, no so much. That difference so glaring.
 
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**** like this comes out of the woodwork when you have our venerable leaders condoning setups that create easy fallbacks when people want to get overzealous. (Legal water-boarding) I don't see how anyone could torture their worst enemy let alone their own kin.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
**** like this comes out of the woodwork when you have our venerable leaders condoning setups that create easy fallbacks when people want to get overzealous. (Legal water-boarding) I don't see how anyone could torture their worst enemy let alone their own kin.
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I could torture my worst enemy very easily.
 
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You have to have a license to catch a fish, but anyone can be a parent. Disgusting.
 
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apdst said:
I think anyone ever said that this wasn't illegal. Only that, "...for 8 years we were constantly told that waterboarding was not torture.", didn't cause this.
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The legality of waterboarding has depended on the claim that since it is not torture, then it is not only legal but allowable. If it is legal & allowable to waterboard somebody because it is not torture then I really do not see a problem with this at all. It is corporal punishment 21st century style.
 
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Charles Martel said:
Was torture for her. She's 4.

For a cutthroat terrorist, no so much. That difference so glaring.
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Ah so torture is now subjective? Well since it is subjective then I do not consider this torture. :cowboy:
 
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Hatuey said:
The legality of waterboarding has depended on the claim that since it is not torture, then it is not only legal but allowable. If it is legal & allowable to waterboard somebody because it is not torture then I really do not see a problem with this at all. It is corporal punishment 21st century style.
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Is it legal and allowable to kill an enemy soldier on the battlefield? Yes, right?

Would that justify a parent shooting his child? No, right?

Nice attempt to place the blame for this on someone besides this dude, but...


FAIL
 
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Hatuey said:
Ah so torture is now subjective? Well since it is subjective then I do not consider this torture. :cowboy:
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Well, then I hope you don't have children, for their sake.
 
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apdst said:
No, it's child abuse.
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Torture and child abuse are not mutually exclusive.
 
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Coronado said:
Torture and child abuse are not mutually exclusive.
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No, but trying to take the blame away from this man and putting it on a political figure makes them so. IOW, we no longer have a man abusing his child, but instead a former soldier who was indoctrinated in torture techniques and is now using them on his own child.
 
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apdst said:
Is it legal and allowable to kill an enemy soldier on the battlefield?
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It is not illegal to waterboard people.

Waterboarding is still an option - Los Angeles Times

WASHINGTON — The White House said Wednesday that the widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding is legal and that President Bush could authorize the CIA to resume using the simulated-drowning method under extraordinary circumstances.
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So what exactly is your point? That it was done to some kid? Reap what you sow I guess.

Would that justify a parent shooting his child? No, right?

Nice attempt to place the blame for this on someone besides this dude, but...

FAIL
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So then waterboarding is illegal? Either it is legal to engage in it or it is not.
 
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kansaswhig said:
Well, then I hope you don't have children, for their sake.
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Oh I do. But I don't think waterboarding is legal so I wouldn't do it. ;)
 
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disneydude said:
While I certainly don't in any way condone what this man did....I think we have to recognize that these are the costs that we as a society pay when we overtax our military and send men/women into mission after mission where they are taught these types of things and are told by many that it is not torture and that it is an appropriate use of punishment.
I'm afraid that like Vietnam...we will be paying the costs of GWB's wars in many many many ways like this.
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Well it didn't take long for the partisan hackers to arrive. :roll:
 
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other said:
So you're saying gas mask training = waterboarding?

No, I don't think so. not at all.
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I agree.

I survived the CS chamber. In reviewing the technique used by the aforementioned scumbag, I can tell you, in no uncertain terms, there is no comparison.
 
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Hatuey said:
It is not illegal to waterboard people.

Waterboarding is still an option - Los Angeles Times



So what exactly is your point? That it was done to some kid? Reap what you sow I guess.



So then waterboarding is illegal? Either it is legal to engage in it or it is not.
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It is NOT legal to waterboard a 4 year-old.
 
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Hatuey said:
Oh I do. But I don't think waterboarding is legal so I wouldn't do it. ;)
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Well, that's good.
 
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