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Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

Andalublue said:
Let's see. Countries fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan:

UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Netherlands, Australia.

Does that answer your question?
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Haha. Aside from Canada and the UK, they aren't "fighting." But that's besides the point.
 
disneydude said:
I am glad to hear that the military is acting in their best interest and in the interest of this Country rather than the interests of a vocal minority that want to advance their political agenda and use the military as their agent.
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That's real rich coming from a liberal lawyer that never served a god damn day in his life. You disgust me.
 
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MSgt said:
Haha. Aside from Canada and the UK, they aren't "fighting." But that's besides the point.
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Yes it is. It's also untrue. Between them those countries have lost over 500 troops in action in Afghanistan. I salute their contribution and sacrifice. Do you?
 
MSgt said:
Haha. Aside from Canada and the UK, they aren't "fighting." But that's besides the point.
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The French and the Aussies are in the fight, too, MSGT
 
MSgt said:
Gays are not murdered and hanged for being gay in America. Gays live quite openly without fear of persecution in America.
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:shock:

You are quite clueless.

A few news stories...

Shooting of gay student sparks outcry - USATODAY.com
Was Navy Sailor Killed For Being Gay? - Crimesider - CBS News
Syracuse man was killed for being gay, police say | News from The Post-Standard -
Man Sentenced to Life in Prison in Skipper Murder | Latest News | TheLedger.com

And if that isn't enough, here are but a few examples of gays living openly without fear of persecution in America...

# In Rochester, New York on March 16, 2008 police say Lance Neve was beaten unconscious because Neve was gay. A man attacked Neve at a bar leaving him with a fractured skull, and a broken nose.[168] Jesse Parsons was sentenced to more than five years in prison for the assault.[169][170]
# In Baltimore County, Maryland on May 29, 2008 eighteen year old Steven Parrish—a member of the Young Swans subgroup of the Bloods—was murdered by Steven T. Hollis III and Juan L. Flythe after they found "gay messages" on his cell phone. They felt having a gay member would make their gang appear weak and that by killing Parrish they could prevent that perception.[171]
# On June 9, 2008, Jeremy Waggoner, an openly gay hairstylist from Royal Oak, Michigan, was brutally murdered in Detroit. His murder is still unsolved.[172]
# On July 17, 2008, in Colorado, 18 year old Angie Zapata, a trans woman, was beaten to death two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.[173]
# September 7, 2008 - Tony Randolph Hunter, 27, and his partner were attacked and beaten near a gay bar in Washington DC. Hunter later died from his injuries on September 18. Police are investigating it as a possible hate crime.[174][175]
# September 13, 2008 in Denver, Colorado 26 year old Nima Daivari was attacked by a man who called him faggot. The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[176]
# September 15, 2008 - A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year old student passenger. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[177]
# On November 7, 2008 in Newton, NC the home of openly gay Melvin Whistlehunt was destroyed by arsonists. Investigators found homophobic graffiti spray painted on the back of the house.[178]
# On November 14, 2008, a 22 year old transgender woman, Lateisha Green, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[179] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[180] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009 and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[181][182][183]
# On December 7, 2008 Romel Sucuzhanya, a 31 year old straight Ecuadorean and his brother Jose, were attacked on a Brooklyn, New York street for appearing to be gay and for being Latino; they were walking arm-in-arm, which is normal for brothers in their culture. Romel later died from his injuries.[184]
# On December 12, 2008 in Richmond, California a 28 year old lesbian was kidnapped and gang raped by four men who made homophobic remarks during the attack.[185]
# On December 27, 2008 in Dayton, Ohio 24 year old Nathan Runkle was brutally assaulted outside a gay nightclub.[186]
# On February 15, 2009 in New York City Efosa Agbontaen and Branden McGillvery-Dummett were attacked by four young men with glass bottles and box cutters who used anti-gay slurs during the attack. Agbontaen and McGillvery-Dummett both required emergency room treatment for their injuries.[187]
# On February 18, 2009 two men were arrested in Stroudsburg, PA for the stabbing death of gay veteran Michael Goucher.[188]
# On March 1, 2009 in Galveston, Texas three men entered Roberts Lafitte bar and attacked patrons with rocks. One of the victims, Marc Bosaw, was sent to the emergency room to have twelve staples in his head.[189]
# On March 14, 2009 a gay couple leaving a Britney Spears concert in Newark, New Jersey were attacked by 15 teens. Josh Kehoe and Bobby Daniel Caldwell were called "faggots" and beaten. Caldwell suffered a broken jaw.[190]
# On March 23, 2009 in Seaside, Oregon two gay men were attacked and left lying unconscious on a local beach. The men regained consciousness and were treated at a nearby hospital.[191]
# On April 6, 2009, Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11 year old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord after being bullied all school year by peers who said "he acted feminine" and was gay.[192]
# On April 11, 2009 a gay man in Gloucester, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten by as many as six people outside a bar. Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheek bone.[193]
# On June 30, 2009, Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton. LGBT community leaders "citing military sources initially said that Provost’s death was a hate crime."[194] Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[194] Military leaders have since explained that "whatever the investigation concludes, the military’s “Don't ask, don't tell” policy prevented Provost from seeking help."[194] Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources);
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_LGBT_people#2000-2009

Please, wake the **** up. Let us all know when you are living in the same world as all the rest of us.
 
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CriticalThought said:
:shock:

You are quite clueless.

A few news stories...

Please, wake the **** up. Let us all know when you are living in the same world as all the rest of us.
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Obviously you are gay and quite passionate about your desires. But clearly, what I wrote pertained to governmental prescription, not random acts of violence for which people have been criminalized and penalized for their actions. If you think you have it so bad in your little American gay world, head into the desert and inform some of those governments of your desires. Perhaps then you will "wake the **** up" and recognize the world you live in.
 
kansaswhig said:
The French and the Aussies are in the fight, too, MSGT
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The French and the Aussies exist in Afghanistan. Do we really need to compare what "in the fight" means to Americans, the British, and the Candians as compared to what "in the fight" means to the French and the rest?
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Bigots disgust me regardless of their station in life or their politics.
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Then you must be disgusted with yourself since everyone is a bigot on this issue that takes a hard stance.
 
Andalublue said:
Erm... Matthew Shepard? Laramie? Ring a bell?
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And what American court of law prescribed their hangings? You are another one that missed the point entirely. What is it? Not clear enough in my posts these days?

You see, in parts of the Middle East it is a criminal offense to desire men and to be a homosexual. Why, some have even gone so far as to deny the existence of any gays in their countries haven't they? The fear of being lawfully hung has a way of keeping them in the closet so that statements of non-existence can be celebrated.
 
towski said:
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
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Its not up to him. Its up to your side. YOU are the one making the claim so lets see the evidence its natural.

And please, don't bore us with the fruit fly or twins study that have already been destroyed.
 
CriticalThought said:
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I find that life is too short to worry what other people think and do.
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Really. So you don't have a problem with Pedophiles? Hell, why should you worry about what other people do?

That kind of crap answer is what gets people who take your position into so much trouble. They love each other! Change the law!

Its the same kind of lazy crap answer that can be destroyed.

I say if it makes you happy to detest gays, then all the power to you. If you have decided that one of your major concerns in life is how closely people fit into gender roles, and where they stick their junk, then I wish you luck with all that.

I'm a little more concerned about living my life trying to be a decent human being but that is just me.
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And that argument gets destroyed the minute we actually do find a lifestyle you object to.

The hypocrisy is stunning.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Hats off to the military for defending this country during WWII. Off course they couldn't have done it without civilian support back home; but hey, that's another story.
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The civilians in WW2 did a great job but The difference is the guys in the military are doing the dying on the battlefield........
 
Andalublue said:
Yes it is. It's also untrue. Between them those countries have lost over 500 troops in action in Afghanistan. I salute their contribution and sacrifice. Do you?
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How about a link on those deaths because it a lie most of them do not even have troops in combat in Afghanistan..........
 
kansaswhig said:
The French and the Aussies are in the fight, too, MSGT
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The french don't fight, they provide support as do most of the other countries in Europe with the exception of the UK......
 
CriticalThought said:
:shock:

You are quite clueless.

A few news stories...

Shooting of gay student sparks outcry - USATODAY.com
Was Navy Sailor Killed For Being Gay? - Crimesider - CBS News
Syracuse man was killed for being gay, police say | News from The Post-Standard -
Man Sentenced to Life in Prison in Skipper Murder | Latest News | TheLedger.com

And if that isn't enough, here are but a few examples of gays living openly without fear of persecution in America...



Violence against LGBT people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please, wake the **** up. Let us all know when you are living in the same world as all the rest of us.
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wikipedia is probably one of the most unreliable sources there are.........until recently anyone could make changes there.........
 
texmaster said:
Really. So you don't have a problem with Pedophiles? Hell, why should you worry about what other people do?
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Pedophiles are the one with the problem, not me. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, I could care less what they do.

That kind of crap answer is what gets people who take your position into so much trouble. They love each other! Change the law!

Its the same kind of lazy crap answer that can be destroyed.
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What's so lazy about live and let live? Sometimes the hardest thing to do is let other people be who they are and to just live your own life. Gays aren't hurting anyone, so why can't you just leave them alone to live their lives as they wish?

And that argument gets destroyed the minute we actually do find a lifestyle you object to.
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Prove it.
 
Navy Pride said:
wikipedia is probably one of the most unreliable sources there are.........until recently anyone could make changes there.........
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I listed a few news stories and I'm certain I could find hundreds more. I debunked his idiotic notions. I don't know why you are trying to defend him. Let him defend his own arguments.
 
MSgt said:
Obviously you are gay and quite passionate about your desires. But clearly, what I wrote pertained to governmental prescription, not random acts of violence for which people have been criminalized and penalized for their actions. If you think you have it so bad in your little American gay world, head into the desert and inform some of those governments of your desires. Perhaps then you will "wake the **** up" and recognize the world you live in.
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No, what you wrote was that gays are living wonderful, peaceful lives in this country. Don't lie about it. You didn't know what the **** you were talking about and you made an idiot of yourself. My sexual orientation has nothing to do with your distorted world view.
 
CriticalThought said:
Pedophiles are the one with the problem, not me. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, I could care less what they do.
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So having sex with children is ok with you as long as the kiddies don't hurt. Got it :roll:

What's so lazy about live and let live? Sometimes the hardest thing to do is let other people be who they are and to just live your own life. Gays aren't hurting anyone, so why can't you just leave them alone to live their lives as they wish?
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We are. No one is interferring with homosexuals. You want to change the law to go beyond live and let live to equal visibility under the law.. To change the law requires evidence to supporting changing that law. "Live and let live" isn't evidence, its emotion.

Prove it.
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I just did with pedos.
 
Andalublue said:
Yes it is. It's also untrue. Between them those countries have lost over 500 troops in action in Afghanistan. I salute their contribution and sacrifice. Do you?
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Of course. Probably more so than those who have never even worked with a foriegn military. But my idea of "in the fight" is a little different from most.

US 1007
UK 266
Canada 140

France 40
Germany 34
Denmark 31
Spain 28
Italy 22
Netherlands 21
Poland 16
Romania 12
Australia 11
Estonia 7
Norway 5
Sweden 4
Czech 3
Latvia 3
Hungary 2
Portugal 2
Turkey 2
Belgium 1
Finland 1
Jordan 1
Lithuania 1
South Korea 1


Total 1666
iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan


Now, 1413 of these deaths are American, UK, and Canadian. The same Anglo English speaking nations that usually bear the brunt for the Western "team." This leaves about 253 between all of the rest. I don't know where you got "500." Seems to me that three countries are really "in the fight" while the rest have merely showed up and been caught in a few ambushes. The argument given by Europeans is that it is right that more Americans bleed because this is an American fight. But this isn't new. This is occurred in every single expedition where the western "team" has been active. In the Gulf War it was Americans that bore the brunt while the rest hung back and threw parades. In Somalia it was Americans that faced the tough missions while the rest hung back in their compounds. It was Americans that flew the majority of the sorties over "Yugoslavia." And so on. Even during the Cold War it was Americans that bled in Asia more than any other. Why, even as far back as WWII it was American troops that bled more than even French troops in Europe (always dismissed by those who attribute all of Europe's success to Russians and the British these days.)

So, when someone like me laughs at the idea that they are "in the fight" I truly mean to laugh because the term means something different to me. The only way some people would understand what I mean is if we could go back in time and change a few things. Perhaps in an alternate reality the bare minimum of American troops would participate with guarantees of safety and little respsonsibility while others bled and participated "in the fight."

I am tired of U.S. Marines dying because Europeans are offered the luxury of being allowed to hold back behind us.
 
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