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Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Catz Part Deux said:
You apparently don't realize the victim WAS HIMSELF A GANG MEMBER who had turned around and was working to make a difference in his neighborhood....and had been doing so for almost 20 years.
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Turned around after killing or forever ruining how many children before?

I save my sympathy for those who deserve it.
 
Erod said:
Turned around after killing or forever ruining how many children before?

I save my sympathy for those who deserve it.
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So, in your mind, no one is capable of change/redemption? One mistake, and they deserve to die or be thrown away?
 
deltabtry said:
Is he? Please enlighten us on how to change this civilly
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By obeying the rule of law and letting the punishment fit the crime. Or are those out dated ideals?

deltabtry said:
...I think we have been trying this for 3 generations now and to no avail.
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Gangs have been around since the beginning of human society.

deltabtry said:
You can't tame something that has gone rabid as a rule.
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If we were talking about animals you mite of had a point.

deltabtry said:
We have tried it the liberal way and it doesn't work, you may save a few but mean while the ship is sinking.
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The liberal way? What the **** is the "the liberal way?" Liberals like conservatives come in many, MANY different flavors. Get over the stereotyping.

deltabtry said:
This has nothing to do with chaging anything.
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Well with a start, lets treat them like better than second class citizens or animals.

Funny what a lack of hope will do to someone.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
Wrong. You're simply mistaken. We HAVEN'T sustained comprehensive gang prevention, intervention and suppression efforts in these areas over the past 30 years. In fact, in Los Angeles, the police department has often chosen the worst possible option at every intersection. Think about LAPD CRASH.
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Bottom line, what we have tried in the past and currently time after time after time it doesn't work. Now we have gangs firmly entrenched in these neighborhoods and are beyond redemption as they have chosen this path. That said, it's time to end it.
 
Erod said:
Turned around after killing or forever ruining how many children before?
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And you have proof he did the things you accuse him of? Or are you just assuming?

Again with the stereotypes.

Erod said:
I save my sympathy for those who deserve it.
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Save it for yourself. You will need it on judgement day.
 
Tucker Case said:
Generally speaking, the West side.

But gangs are fairly widespread in Chicago.

A 12-year-old joining one doesn't seem that unusual to me.
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Grew up on the South side of Chicago. We were around 11 years old when my best friend was shot for not joining a gang. 11 years old.

Parents moved to the suburbs after that. It was in 73.
 
Blackdog said:
And you have proof he did the things you accuse him of? Or are you just assuming?

Again with the stereotypes.
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Of course, we wouldn't want to stereotype a gang member by any means.
 
Erod said:
Of course, we wouldn't want to stereotype a gang member by any means.
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Again they are all different people. They all have different story's and some get out.

You want to sit in judgment of all of them. You want to bypass everything this country was founded on in your witch hunt.

You want to get rid of all liberty and turn the US into a police state. Then the police will become the next gang problem. As if they are not already part of the problem. :roll:
 
Blackdog said:
Again they are all different people. They all have different story's and some get out.

You want to sit in judgment of all of them. You want to bypass everything this country was founded on in your witch hunt.

You want to get rid of all liberty and turn the US into a police state. Then the police will become the next gang problem. As if they are not already part of the problem. :roll:
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It isn't hard to firgure out the gangs and who they are, they mark themselves with tatoo's, where colors etc.,,that's who you target. This country had to do the same thing in the 18th and early part of the twenth century, with gangs out of control, and we haven't turned into a police state today.
 
Blackdog said:
Oh no, not a picture! :doh A picture of a gang banger, I am so scared. :roll:
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easy to say it behind a monitor, wondering into their neighborhood at two in morning, or do you avoid these area's any all times.
 
Blackdog said:
Oh no, not a picture! :doh A picture of a gang banger, I am so scared. :roll:
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So blackdog are you advocating protecting these gangs.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, in your mind, no one is capable of change/redemption? One mistake, and they deserve to die or be thrown away?
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How well has change/redemption worked with street gangs, so far?
 
Blackdog said:
Again they are all different people. They all have different story's and some get out.

You want to sit in judgment of all of them. You want to bypass everything this country was founded on in your witch hunt.

You want to get rid of all liberty and turn the US into a police state. Then the police will become the next gang problem. As if they are not already part of the problem. :roll:
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Ah, well there ya go.
 
Tucker Case said:
Generally speaking, the West side.

But gangs are fairly widespread in Chicago.

A 12-year-old joining one doesn't seem that unusual to me.
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I'm disputing the idea that this person knows 12-year-olds in that gang personally.
 
Nice cease fire ya got there...:rofl

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apdst said:
The whole notion of a, "cease fire", I think is the worst way to handle the problem. There need to be some heads cracked, instead of giving these punks credibility by begging them to stop being assholes.
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Do you have some data supporting that as a realistic approach?
 
Blackdog said:
Again they are all different people. They all have different story's and some get out.

You want to sit in judgment of all of them. You want to bypass everything this country was founded on in your witch hunt.

You want to get rid of all liberty and turn the US into a police state. Then the police will become the next gang problem. As if they are not already part of the problem. :roll:
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These people are also fans of torture. See the possible dangers? Once you've dehumanized and tortured one group, what keeps you from doing the same to Americans that you similarly dehumanize?
 
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