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Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Your only referring to Capone and his gangs non the less Ness was aggressive by tearing up his drug dens, breweries etc.but, Ness's job also consisted fighting gangs in Cleveland Ohio, corruption, prohibition and corruption amongst law enforcement and so on. Read his Bio

We are doing that now. We have gang task forces in every county etc.

What you are suggesting is way over the top.
 
Please explain what my "method" is or the one I have advocated?

Actually according to the FBI crime statistices, violent crime is on the decline. It has been on a pretty steady decline since the 60's.

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Violent crime in the United States, including murder and robbery, dropped 4.4 percent in the first half of 2009 and property crime like car thefts also dropped, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Monday. - U.S. crime drops in first half of 2009, FBI says | Reuters



Not according to the latest statistics...

Youth Violence Project - National Statistics

New York City Violent Crime Down 8%, Outpacing U.S., FBI Says - Bloomberg.com

Youth Crime In America DECLINING: Video Games To Blame?

Got another excuse?
I don't know but, murders by gangs seem to be alive and well and the body count still climbing and this is only L.A. We can go to Chicago, Detriot, Houston, Washington
D.C., Baltimore or even NYC.
http://www.streetgangs.com/homicides/lachomichart.html
 
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I don't know but, murders by gangs seem to be alive and well and the body count still climbing and this is only L.A. We can go to Chicago, Detriot, Houston, Washington D.C., Baltimore or even NYC.

So you are saying the FBI numbers are wrong? If they are going down the overall list, I am certain it includes large city's such as New York. In fact New York has seen one of the greatest decreases in crime.
 
We are doing that now. We have gang task forces in every county etc.

What you are suggesting is way over the top.
How so?..this gangs where colors not very hard to find.
 
How so?..this gangs where colors not very hard to find.

Having a color is not a crime. Neither is being in a gang.

It is against their Constitutional rights to arrest them for nothing but association. Unless they have committed a crime and it is provable in the court of law, you got nothing.
 
Having a color is not a crime. Neither is being in a gang.

It is against their Constitutional rights to arrest them for nothing but association. Unless they have committed a crime and it is provable in the court of law, you got nothing.
Having colors representing a armed force which creates a threat to the citizens of this land by threat of violence is unconstitutional. Now that said, it's up to the state government to neutralize that threat per the constitution by all means neccesary. These gangs are no longer a individual criminals but a group a militia hostile to the citizens of this land.
 
Even the numbers on the chart you linked to has the number dropping to less than half since 1993 to just 2006.

It backs up what I said.
I didn't say your statistics where wrong, I said the gang murder rate is alive and well. So I will ask you how many murdered is acceptable to you?..100, 200, 1000
 
Having colors representing a armed force which creates a threat to the citizens of this land by threat of violence is unconstitutional.

Thugs they may be, but they do not represent an armed force. They represent at most a gang association which again is not illegal. If it was, they would already be arrested.

So no it is not unconstitutional to be affiliated with a gang.

Now that said, it's up to the state government to neutralize that threat per the constitution by all means neccesary. These gangs are no longer a individual criminals but a group a militia hostile to the citizens of this land.

So the Branch Davidian's got what they deserved? White supremacy militia groups etc would all be subject to this?
 
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I didn't say your statistics where wrong, I said the gang murder rate is alive and well. So I will ask you how many murdered is acceptable to you?..100, 200, 1000

0. It also has nothing to do with my point or the two questions you ignored because you have no answer.

You said my "method" or the one I advocated was not working. So what is this "method" I am advocating etc?

You also said "So what do we have..more gangs and apparently your method or the one you advocate doesn't work because the body count directly or indirectly keeps going up." I said this was absolutely wrong, as violence is decreasing.
 
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Thugs they may be, but they do not represent an armed force. They represent at most a gang association which again is not illegal. If it was, they would already be arrested.

So no it is not unconstitutional to be affiliated with a gang.



So the Branch Dravidian's got what they deserved? White supremacy militia groups etc would all be subject to this?
It's not unconstitutional to label them as a hostile force against the citizenary either because basically that's what they are, so it all boiles down to labels. Label the gangs correctly and the whole spectrum changes and law enforce can be rid of this vermon once and for all.
 
0. It also has nothing to do with my point or the two questions you ignored because you have no answer.

You said my "method" or the one I advocated was not working. So what is this "method" I am advocating etc?

You also said "So what do we have..more gangs and apparently your method or the one you advocate doesn't work because the body count directly or indirectly keeps going up." I said this was absolutely wrong, as violence is decreasing.
I am not ignoring you, i am on several other topics, not just this one. A few may have past me by.
 
It's not unconstitutional to label them as a hostile force against the citizenary either because basically that's what they are, so it all boiles down to labels. Label the gangs correctly and the whole spectrum changes and law enforce can be rid of this vermon once and for all.

What about biker gangs? What about militia? So I ask again the Davidian's got what they deserved?

So you want justice for some?

That my friend is absolutely not American and utterly unconstitutional.
 
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I am not ignoring you, i am on several other topics, not just this one. A few may have past me by.

You replied to it and completely ignored my questions, not me.
 
What about biker gangs? What about militia?

So you want justice for some?

That my friend is absolutely not American and utterly unconstitutional.
So I want justice for some, come on we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time. So in short if any group that is armed and creates a threat amongst the citizenry on a level such as the L.A. gangs or gangs in Chicago etc. than yes the same applies.

Btw, biker gangs do not traveling down streets shooting AK-47 or mec's into crowds of people in the hopes od hitting one rival gang member.
 
So I want justice for some, come on we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time.

That is news to me and does not fit your comments.

So in short if any group that is armed and creates a threat amongst the citizenry on a level such as the L.A. gangs or gangs in Chicago etc. than yes the same applies.

OK then rest assured by your reasoning it is unconstitutional.

The end.

Btw, biker gangs do not traveling down streets shooting AK-47 or mec's into crowds of people in the hopes od hitting one rival gang member.

Moral relativism, oh yea!

When was the last time the news reported a gang spraying an area with an AK? Well Ill tell you 1993.

Paragons of the community...

"This year, gunshots about 75 miles away reminded attendees about the gangs. Authorities said two men affiliated with the Hells Angels shot and wounded five Outlaws Motorcycle Club members in Custer State Park on Tuesday." - FOXNews.com - Biker Gang Violence Reappears at Famous U.S. Motorcycle Rally - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

"Police took pro-active measures following a tip that violence could break out between rival outlaw motorcycle gangs in the Pee Dee." - Police quell possible outlaw motorcycle gang violence : News : WPDE
 
That is news to me and does not fit your comments.
Well I am the upmost proffessional on my own comments and you are not, never assume. If in doubt ask for me to elaborate.


OK then rest assured by your reasoning it is unconstitutional.

The end.
How so? Allowing the citizens to die at the hands of a armed group is a failure on the governments part.


Moral relativism, oh yea!
According to who?

When was the last time the news reported a gang spraying an area with an AK? Well Ill tell you 1993.
as a example
Paragons of the community...

"This year, gunshots about 75 miles away reminded attendees about the gangs. Authorities said two men affiliated with the Hells Angels shot and wounded five Outlaws Motorcycle Club members in Custer State Park on Tuesday." - FOXNews.com - Biker Gang Violence Reappears at Famous U.S. Motorcycle Rally - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

"Police took pro-active measures following a tip that violence could break out between rival outlaw motorcycle gangs in the Pee Dee." - Police quell possible outlaw motorcycle gang violence : News : WPDE
and here is one of many
USATODAY.com - Murder, violence rates fall, FBI says
Police, feds target Tacoma gang with arrest of 11 suspected Hilltop Crips | Crime News - The News Tribune | Seattle-Tacoma News, Weather, Sports, Jobs, Homes and Cars | South Puget Sound's Destination

read the details
 
No, just common sense and a gander at the article in the OP. Giving credibility to gang members is no better than giving miranda rights to terrorists. Both are impotent approaches to solving the problem.

Daryl Gates had the right approach in Los Angeles, but the PC'ers came out in force against it, nevermind the drop in gang activity that Gates's plan produced.

The new mayor of LA is doing good stuff right now.
 
Cease fire?..you don't negotiate with gang members for a cease fire on American soil, they either lay their weapons down and surrender or we will do it for them one way or the other. This is a nation that has laws and those laws are clear.

I take it you didn't bother to read the linked article. Why be confused with facts???
 
I take it you didn't bother to read the linked article. Why be confused with facts???
I would have but, as a rule I do not download unknown links to my PC sorry. I replied to your comment but, non the less what I stated still applies, we do not negotiate with gangs etc.
 
I would have but, as a rule I do not download unknown links to my PC sorry. I replied to your comment but, non the less what I stated still applies, we do not negotiate with gangs etc.

Ceasefire utilizes heavy law enforcement plus intervention and violence interruptors. There is no negotiation with gangs. Thus, your statement is ridiculous.
 
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