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Iran Moves Closer to Nuke Weapon Capacity

p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s

iran is kicking his skinny ass

sorry
 
p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s

iran is kicking his skinny ass

sorry

I bet you Iran could be bowing to Obama's feet asking for mercy and you would still say they are kicking his ass.
 
p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s

iran is kicking his skinny ass

sorry

I can't tell if you troll because you think it is fun or because you genuinely don't understand the conversation and its all you can do.
 
Well this thread went downhill in a hurry...
 
I bet you Iran could be bowing to Obama's feet asking for mercy and you would still say they are kicking his ass.

why would anyone care what i say

iran is kicking obama's skinny political ass

did you see the cbs headline

when's obama gonna meet with their leaders?

when are we gonna see the results of all the reaching out?

when are putin and hu gonna come on board?

and this guy wonders what folks would say if ahmedinejad kissed someone's feet

LOL!
 
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and it's not just iran, remember

his entire domestic agenda 2009 is dead---health care, cap and trade, financial regulatory reform

his improvised post-MA agenda is tiny and 2/3 outta reach---his stimulus which he can't call a stimulus, his bank tax, his debt commission

and foreign policy, forget about it, there aint none

except ESCALATION in afghanistan

sorry it all went so south so fast

he's inept
 
Maybe Iran is planning to conduct a nuke test during the anniversary of their revolution. Maybe that's the big "punch" to the West they're talking about.
 
why would anyone care what i say

iran is kicking obama's skinny political ass

did you see the cbs headline

when's obama gonna meet with their leaders?

when are we gonna see the results of all the reaching out?

when are putin and hu gonna come on board?

and this guy wonders what folks would say if ahmedinejad kissed someone's feet

LOL!

Caring about what your opponent says is implicit in a debate. Otherwise the whole enterprise fails.

and it's not just iran, remember

his entire domestic agenda 2009 is dead---health care, cap and trade, financial regulatory reform

his improvised post-MA agenda is tiny and 2/3 outta reach---his stimulus which he can't call a stimulus, his bank tax, his debt commission

and foreign policy, forget about it, there aint none

except ESCALATION in afghanistan

sorry it all went so south so fast

he's inept

For one thing, you are exaggerating Obama's troubles. Your interpretations as to what extent he has failed are heavily informed by partisanship. Secondly, the failure of politicians to accomplish certain ends is indicative of problems in the political system - considering the obstacles the United States faces, any good outcomes could be inherently impossible no matter who is in charge.

For one thing, I don't think Obama has failed in Iran. So far, he's taken the high road and pursued mutually satisfactory arrangements. Either Iran hasn't lied and won't use their nuclear capability to make weapons (and therefore the whole point is moot) or they will and they'll have nothing to justify their broken promise to pursue peaceful applications of the technology to the international community. Having nuclear weapons can't really help Iran because they can't use them without having the culture, language, people, and religion they cherish being destroyed. The only advantage they get is it discourages invasions, and that's pointless because everybody is already plenty discouraged from attacking Iran, which is why it hasn't happened yet.
 
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Maybe Iran is planning to conduct a nuke test during the anniversary of their revolution. Maybe that's the big "punch" to the West they're talking about.

Doing so would be foolish. It would end up uniting the world against Iran and it would end up causing Israel to wipe out Iran's military bases, nuclear sites, any various governmental installations.

Iran's idiot leader needs to be removed and then jailed for life ... AFTER HIS BEARD IS FORCEFULLY SHAVED OFF HIS FACE.
 
Iran can't produce enough nukes to threaten the existence of human civilization.

Once again, Iran's government has invested a considerable portion of their revenue over the last couple decades into modernizing their economy and improving prosperity. The idea they are willing to "suicide bomb" their country to hurt the West is not a very sound theory.

Iran's government, while tyrannical, cares far more about Iran than the Palestinians and Israel.



***** Let me clarify it a bit. Being that we now have as Leftist a US President as anytime ever - someone who probably got MidEast Money in 2008 passed thru many hands because his Private view of the Jewish State HAD to be different than all predecessors - and knowing this new reality Israel like at this moment is considering contingency plans . These have existed for several years though updated naturally .

****** Time is very quickly running out - One Nuke hit on Israel might finish them yet not produce a much wider conflagration - but Israel if it uses it's stockpile - even part of it - might even in this post Cold War setting bring on August 1914. This is WHY it's getting mighty dangerous and it was almost inevitable when Barry took over.

****** The Israeli's do not trust him.
 
How are they going to fit the nuke in their underwear?
 
Maybe Iran is planning to conduct a nuke test during the anniversary of their revolution. Maybe that's the big "punch" to the West they're talking about.

If they do, let's hope it's a successful test :mrgreen:
 
Iran's idiot leader needs to be removed and then jailed for life ... AFTER HIS BEARD IS FORCEFULLY SHAVED OFF HIS FACE.

By who and what authority?
 
For one thing, you are exaggerating Obama's troubles.

nope

health care---dead

cap and trade---dead

reg reform---dead

jobs bill, the stimulus which aint a stimulus---small ball, also in some trouble congressionally

bank tax---no way

debt commission---lost on floor, 53-47

Your interpretations as to what extent he has failed are heavily informed by partisanship.

sorry, sigmund

health care---dead

cap and trade---dead

etc

Secondly, the failure of politicians to accomplish certain ends is indicative of problems in the political system

LOL!

considering the obstacles the United States faces, any good outcomes could be inherently impossible no matter who is in charge.

excuses don't buy reelections

nor massachussetts

For one thing, I don't think Obama has failed in Iran.

sure, he's got em right where he wants em

So far, he's taken the high road and pursued mutually satisfactory arrangements.

mutually satisfactory arrangements---LOL!

Either Iran hasn't lied...

ok, neville

and won't use their nuclear capability to make weapons (and therefore the whole point is moot) or they will and they'll have nothing to justify their broken promise to pursue peaceful applications of the technology to the international community.

then "they'll have nothing to justify their broken promise to pursue peaceful applications of the technology..."

LOL!

Having nuclear weapons can't really help Iran because they can't use them without having the culture, language, people, and religion they cherish being destroyed. The only advantage they get is it discourages invasions, and that's pointless because everybody is already plenty discouraged from attacking Iran, which is why it hasn't happened yet.

a nuclear iran radically alters the geopolitics of not just the region but the entire planet

the threat of their handing off wmd's to one of their clients is terrifying

to gramma, terrifying to gramma

when's the last time you called her?

she's not real interested in your debate, either

obama's the most inept politician at the national level she's ever seen
 
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a nuclear iran radically alters the geopolitics of not just the region but the entire planet

Good ..and then there'd be one less country the US would invade.
 
There would be one less country that's for sure.

Possession of nukes seems to be the only insurance other nations have to prevent the US from invading their territory.
 
open call for a nuclear iran

a position just a shade shy of obama's

the most incompetent politician at the national level america has ever produced
 
Possession of nukes seems to be the only insurance other nations have to prevent the US from invading their territory.
Seems to me like attempting to get your hands on nukes is a major way to get yourself invaded by the US.
 
Good ..and then there'd be one less country the US would invade.


Please tell me that was irony, and your view of the situation really isn't that simplistic and one-sided.
 
Please tell me that was irony, and your view of the situation really isn't that simplistic and one-sided.

Please tell me the US isn't an interventionist country that invades other countries for its own selfish motives ;)
 
Something interesting: Game Theory
Just as people generally try to win games, people also try to "win" or achieve their interests or goals in competitive situations. However, both in games and in the real world, we generally follow a set of rules to do this. Some games, like some real situations are "winner-take-all." These games are by their nature very competitive, as only one person can win. (Chess would be an example of such a game.) Other games, however, require cooperation to win. Many of the newer video games, for example, require cooperative strategies among multiple players in order for any single player to advance. In the real world, even during times of hostility, rivals generally have common interests and must cooperate to some degree.[1] Even during the Cold War, despite an intense East-West standoff, Moscow and Washington cooperated to achieve their common goal of averting a nuclear war.
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The concept of mutual deterrence paved the way for arms-control measures and further cooperation. By highlighting strategic choices and potential collective outcomes, game theory helped illustrate how a potentially destructive relationship could be framed, managed, and transformed to provide mutual benefits, including avoidance of an uncontrolled arms race and nuclear war.

http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/prisoners_dilemma/
 
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