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Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

disneydude said:
Then you aren't reading very well.
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I've never met a Liberal that didn't accuse someone of a lack of intelligence, or education when they get they're balls busted, either...:rofl

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There is a lot about the man that I dislike and in time I don't doubt I'll say it. But not right after he passes.

I feel the immediately attacking liberals on this forum have done was wrong, and its the same here. Using the death of a politician you disagreed with as a chance to just launch into vitriolic attacks immediately is just a low class act inmho.

Some in this thread have stated their disagreements with Murtha without being over the top hateful and full on attacking, kudos to them for being able to express themselves while keeping some class.
 
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apdst said:
That's exactly what you're saying. But, hey, I never met a Liberal that believed in personal responsibility.
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They exist but they have this funny view of the world.... they believe in personal responsibility for themselves and their own families and children but it's okay if everyone else doesn't have it. That's perfectly acceptable - even though that same responsible liberal wants to change others for their own good because they don't know better and are just ignorant. THEY aren't ignorant for knowing better, just others are. It's always externalized... they wouldn't DREAM that the same would apply to them - always others.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, an RIP thread was already started before this one, and it looks like the primary purpose of this thread was to hijack the RIP thread by creating an anti-RIP thread. Well done, too. Now the discussion is not on the death, but on controversy instead.
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I did it to follow the rules. the rip thread made me sick. :shrug:


Personally, although I could not stand Murtha, I would have at least waited until he was in the ground before starting a thread like this.
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Why, he didn't want to wait to convict Marines of a capital offense before they stood trial.... :shrug:
 
ADK_Forever said:
I wonder what bothers you the most?
The thought that Murtha said what he sad?
Or that what he said was true?

Never mind. Rhetorical question.
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The marines you are slandering have been found innocent. Not suprised you side with a self agrandizing dead jackass than your fellow soldies. :shrug:
 
disneydude said:
I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.
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Good for you. And like you, I won't throw a tantrum like some of your compatriots are doing.
 
Captain America said:
Whoa! That's pretty harsh on ol' Ronnie. A.I.D.S. is all his fault? I think that's a stretch.

I don't want to wish death on anyone (well, maybe a few.:3oops:)

Can you imagine how the hate threads are gonna fly the day Bush passes away? He has a LOT of our nation's finest blood on his hands.

Whatever. It's all selective and hypocritical.
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like the anti-bush threads in his death will possibly be worse than his life threads?


There is no selctivity on my part...


When kenedy died, this was not my reaction, nor will it be when most leftwing politicians die...


as I said early on in this thread, this is not a left right thing. I could care less about his politcs. it was his slander and willingness to have honorable men executed via a capital crime with said slander that I feel very strongly that he rot in hell. :pimpdaddy:
 
Zyphlin said:
There is a lot about the man that I dislike and in time I don't doubt I'll say it. But not right after he passes.

I feel the immediately attacking liberals on this forum have done was wrong, and its the same here. Using the death of a politician you disagreed with as a chance to just launch into vitriolic attacks immediately is just a low class act inmho.

Some in this thread have stated their disagreements with Murtha without being over the top hateful and full on attacking, kudos to them for being able to express themselves while keeping some class.
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The man was willing to slander marines accusing them of a capital crim without evidence....


Eff him. he deserves no respect.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The man was willing to slander marines accusing them of a capital crim without evidence....

Eff him. he deserves no respect.
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An incredibly low brow and horrible attack by him and one that I hope sticks to his legacy for many years to come. Men should be remembered in the years following their death for the good AND the bad of their lives.
 
Zyphlin said:
An incredibly low brow and horrible attack by him and one that I hope sticks to his legacy for many years to come. Men should be remembered in the years following their death for the good AND the bad of their lives.
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It was downright criminal.

I hope you unerstand why I'd be less than civil and would happily do a jig on the mans grave....



There is a special place in hell for his type. The fact he was a liberal is irrelevant.
 
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disneydude said:
What was the lie Navy?

Have you been following along? I don't think so...... You can tell by the fact that you tried to post a link that argued exactly opposite of your contention (you actually have a habit of kicking yourself in the butt...you'd think you'd learn by now....but Republicans generally don't learn from their past mistakes..they just keep making the same mistakes over and over....kinda like you Navy.... :doh
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The poster called you out on it DD..You do it all the time......
 
There are a lot of people whom I would give a pass to when they passed away but Murtha was a very evil man and a crook.......I could never give him that pass.........sorry
 
Navy Pride said:
The poster called you out on it DD..You do it all the time......
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Yes Navy....and if you had read the post that you posted you would have seen that I went back to the Helms thread and pulled up his own quote which clearly displayed his hypocrisy....and proved he was wrong. :doh
 
Captain America said:
Truthfully, I'm kinda torn on that one. I know we can't just stick our head in the sand and ignore the crazies in the world for that will surely come back and bite us in the ass.

But I'm also pretty tired of my country having to be the world's policeman.

You guys already know my feelings on N. Korea and Iran. I hate them both. **** China too.

But I would like to see our dollars spent right here on our shores for a change. Spent on things like education, health, infrastructure, veterans, job creation. **** the dogs of war and their never ending quest to keep the defense industry booming.
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Believe it or not, Cap'n, were just about in agreement here. I would love to see this country at peace, but we were attacked first, so we went after them in Afghanistan. I was surprised we went after Iraq. I thought we probably should have gone after North Korea, but maybe Bush was worried about the chicoms and figured it might have escalated into WWIII. Then again, are we really sure that Saddam Hussein didn't have wmd's? It took us a long time to mobilize to go in. All the while we were getting prepared, what about all those trucks heading to Syria? We never did attack Syria, and I heard scuttlebutt that we were mobilizing to attack Syria. What happened to that plan, I wonder?
 
Personally, my gut feeling was that Bush had every intention on attacking Iraq before they ever swore him in. I can't prove it though. 9/11 was just an untimely deterrent to him, IMO. But it didn't take him long to get back on track. All he had to do is throw a carefully orchestrated bone to the propaganda mill and have them make American's believe Iraq and 9/11 were two of the same. Some fell for it. Some didn't. Hindsite being 20/20 I can't help but want to go "neener-neener" sometimes, but it's pointless.

But as my friend Conservative says, we are in the here and now. No use in digging up old bones.

But Murtha, love him or hate him, we can all agree, another war-dog bites the dust. I hope many more join him.
 
disneydude said:
I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.
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Riiiiiiiiiight...the GOVERNMENT fueled the AIDS epidemic...NOT wreckless and irresponsible sexual activity...gotcha...

What...he should have raced to find that cure sooner? He should have shut down the bathhouses?
 
Murtha was what Kerry and most liberal politicians are...political scumbags who only 'care' about the military when it serves their own agenda and need.
 
Murtha left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marine Corps and was awarded the American Spirit Honor Medal for displaying outstanding leadership qualities during training. Murtha became a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. Murtha was then assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

Murtha remained in the Marine Forces Reserve, and ran a small business, Johnstown Minute Car Wash (which still operates in the West End section of Johnstown.) He also attended the University of Pittsburgh on the G.I. Bill, and received a degree in economics. Murtha later took graduate courses from the Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Murtha married his wife Joyce on June 10, 1955. They have three children and live in Johnstown.

Murtha left the Marines in 1955. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, serving from 1966 to 1967, serving as a battalion staff officer (S-2 Intelligence Section), receiving the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a Colonel in 1990, receiving the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.

He served honorably, but I do believe he was suffering from a mental disorder later on in his life. Just like many politicians
 
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You know what they say. One "aw-****" wipes out 10 "atta-boy's."

I find it somewhat a double standard that Murtha can stick his foot in his mouth, going on the intel he was given and he get's branded as a traitor by the same people who defend the last president's ****-up's by saying, "he was just going on the information that was presented to him."

I also find it reprehensible that Murtha would politicize the trials and tribulations facing our soldiers at war, putting himself in the seat of judgement having been in a war front himself, all for the sake of his politics.

Just sayin'.

All that being said, It saddens me to see the hate some people have in their hearts for our most decorated heroes. But I've seen it before. Wasn't that long ago some people called them baby-killers. History just repeats itself.

Bad form. Tsk, tsk.

But it was quite appearant to me that Murtha was losing his marbles in his latter years. I'm sure war takes it's toll on the conscience and mental well-being. Maybe a mandatory retirement age along with term limits is the answer.
 
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Captain America said:
You know what they say. One "aw-****" wipes out 10 "atta-boy's."

I find it somewhat a double standard that Murtha can stick his foot in his mouth, going on the intel he was given and he get's branded as a traitor by the same people who defend the last president's ****-up's by saying, "he was just going on the information that was presented to him."

Just sayin'.

It saddens me to see the hate some people have in their hearts for asome of our most decorated heroes. Wasn't that long ago they were calling them baby-killers.


Bad form. Tsk, tsk.
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Nice strawman... Is that western hay? :ssst:



Btw when presented the opportunity to do the right thing and apologize he became beligerant.
 
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CrusaderRabbit08 said:
When was the trial?
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Is this the event that caused all the commotion?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/

updated 8:27 p.m. CT, Wed., May 17, 2006

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon probe into the death of Iraqi civilians last November in the Iraqi city of Haditha will show that U.S. Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood," a U.S. lawmaker said Wednesday.

From the beginning, Iraqis in the town of Haditha said U.S. Marines deliberately killed 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including seven women and three children.

One young Iraqi girl said the Marines killed six members of her family, including her parents. “The Americans came into the room where my father was praying,” she said, “and shot him.”
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On Wednesday, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said the accounts are true.

Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right.

A videotape taken by an Iraqi showed the aftermath of the alleged attack: a blood-smeared bedroom floor and bits of what appear to be human flesh and bullet holes on the walls.
 
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