Rep. John Murtha, Iraq war critic, dies at 77 (not a [r.i.p] thread) be warned

[aps]

I'm not going to bother to read the posts in here. When my husband and I were listening to WTOP yesterday and the announcement came over the radio, I said to my husband, "I know there are people on my message board who are celebrating right now." It makes me sick that I was right. PRedicitable.

 

[Captain America]

... cod piece. :rofl

Mind if I use that?

 

[Captain America]

I'm not going to bother to read the posts in here. When my husband and I were listening to WTOP yesterday and the announcement came over the radio, I said to my husband, "I know there are people on my message board who are celebrating right now." I see I was right. You make me sick.

It is rather disgusting, isn't it?

Buy 'em books, send 'em to school.... :roll:

 

[bicycleman]

The war is being fought wrong. That's why I oppose it.

Well, you and I are in agreement there. Maybe we should sit down and trade ideas. Then again, I'm pretty radical. You may not like my ideas.:mrgreen:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

... cod piece. :rofl

Mind if I use that?

yes, but you must get your own, my cod piece is obviously much larger than you need. :2razz:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I'm not going to bother to read the posts in here. When my husband and I were listening to WTOP yesterday and the announcement came over the radio, I said to my husband, "I know there are people on my message board who are celebrating right now." It makes me sick that I was right. PRedicitable.

aps, this man would put me in prison or death, to further his agenda.. .


his death, potentially saved the lives of honoable men. Excuse me if I do a jig or two.


eff him

 

[bicycleman]

Does it bother you that Cheney and Bush never apologized when it was revealed that their race to war with Iraq was unfounded, invalidated, manipulated and cherry picked (and as a result, many of these troops you say Murtha slandered are, in fact, dead.)

Is this selective criticism drawn down party lines? You betcha. :2wave:

As a matter of fact, I remember seeing Bush and Cheney come on national TV and admit that they had faulty intelligence. Then again, with all the mass murders that occurred in Iraq and the fact that those murderers are now getting and facing justice, then going into Iraq was a good thing.

Are you equally annoyed that we didn't go into North Korea and start another front, thus killing more young American men and women?

 

[danarhea]

I didn't realize there were only men here.

Look, start an RIP thread if you want a tribute. The Good Reverend warned everyone this wasn't one.

Actually, an RIP thread was already started before this one, and it looks like the primary purpose of this thread was to hijack the RIP thread by creating an anti-RIP thread. Well done, too. Now the discussion is not on the death, but on controversy instead.

Personally, although I could not stand Murtha, I would have at least waited until he was in the ground before starting a thread like this.

 

[Captain America]

As a matter of fact, I remember seeing Bush and Cheney come on national TV and admit that they had faulty intelligence. Then again, with all the mass murders that occurred in Iraq and the fact that those murderers are now getting and facing justice, then going into Iraq was a good thing.

Are you equally annoyed that we didn't go into North Korea and start another front, thus killing more young American men and women?

Truthfully, I'm kinda torn on that one. I know we can't just stick our head in the sand and ignore the crazies in the world for that will surely come back and bite us in the ass.

But I'm also pretty tired of my country having to be the world's policeman.

You guys already know my feelings on N. Korea and Iran. I hate them both. **** China too.

But I would like to see our dollars spent right here on our shores for a change. Spent on things like education, health, infrastructure, veterans, job creation. **** the dogs of war and their never ending quest to keep the defense industry booming.

 

[ADK_Forever]

But to falsey slander marines as murderers (a capital crime) Murtha in the minds of many service members, and veterans was a straight up traitor who should have been hanged.

I wonder what bothers you the most?
The thought that Murtha said what he sad?
Or that what he said was true?

Never mind. Rhetorical question.

 

[Charles Martel]

Buy 'em books, send 'em to school.... :roll:

.....and nary but few listen in and get indoctrinated like all your liberal robotic children do. These peskies, these "em's" you buy books for Captain...they're more inclined to learn more about life than just whats in the classroom. They're encouraged to speak up and deny lies like man made global warming. They're smarter than to think abortion is a "right" to choose. They're taught that they need to use their own life's experiences and many different lessons to mold and shape their own lives...not to listen and believe everything you hear on TV or from your liberally educated teachers.

Furthermore, it's been proven on these threads which of us actually read any books at all while in school. Many have proven in here they not only were purchased books...but all they did was chew on the cover.

 

[Captain America]

Oh no! :shock: Now I got liberal robotic children hiding under my bed!

First, it was commies.

Then it was terrorists.

Now it's my own mindless, drone children.

That settles it. I'm blocking FOXNews from their TV sets. :rofl

 

[disneydude]

aps, this man would put me in prison or death, to further his agenda.. .


his death, potentially saved the lives of honoable men. Excuse me if I do a jig or two.


eff him

I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.

 

[Captain America]

I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.

Whoa! That's pretty harsh on ol' Ronnie. A.I.D.S. is all his fault? I think that's a stretch.

I don't want to wish death on anyone (well, maybe a few.:3oops

Can you imagine how the hate threads are gonna fly the day Bush passes away? He has a LOT of our nation's finest blood on his hands.

Whatever. It's all selective and hypocritical.

 

[apdst]

I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.

Nevermind all those people that ignored the threat and practiced unsafe sex. They share zero responsibility.

 

[American]

I felt the exact same way Reagan died. All of the people who died as a result of him sitting back and doing absolutely nothing during the AIDS crisis and allowing it to develop into an epidemic simply because he didn't care.....were not redeemed by his passing. However, he finally got his due and I can only say its too bad it didn't happen sooner.

The CDC was intimately involved during this time. It wasn't even named HIV until 1986, half way through Reagan's last term. Your argument is not only inaccurate, it's unbalanced. What should he have done, they hardly even understood what they were dealing with at the time.

 

[CrusaderRabbit08]

Well, you and I are in agreement there. Maybe we should sit down and trade ideas. Then again, I'm pretty radical. You may not like my ideas.:mrgreen:

You wouldn't like mine either

 

[disneydude]

Whoa! That's pretty harsh on ol' Ronnie. A.I.D.S. is all his fault? I think that's a stretch.

I don't want to wish death on anyone (well, maybe a few.:3oops

Can you imagine how the hate threads are gonna fly the day Bush passes away? He has a LOT of our nation's finest blood on his hands.

Whatever. It's all selective and hypocritical.

Never said it was his fault. But it grew exponentially into an epidemic due to his lack of leadership. He didn't care. It was only affecting gay people.
Under a compassionate leader, efforts could have been undertaken that would have saved thousands of lives. Reagan couldn't even utter the word for years.

 

[apdst]

Never said it was his fault. But it grew exponentially into an epidemic due to his lack of leadership. He didn't care. It was only affecting gay people.
Under a compassionate leader, efforts could have been undertaken that would have saved thousands of lives. Reagan couldn't even utter the word for years.

You're basically calling it his fault...:rofl

 

[disneydude]

Nevermind all those people that ignored the threat and practiced unsafe sex. They share zero responsibility.

THAT certainly was part of Reagan's belief system.

Certainly they shared responsibility, but most people DID start practicing safe sex when AIDS came about. The educational effort on the part of the educational community was incredible. The federal government's response under Reagan was pathetic and thousands upon thousands died as a result of his inaction.

 

[apdst]

THAT certainly was part of Reagan's belief system.

Certainly they shared responsibility, but most people DID start practicing safe sex when AIDS came about. The educational effort on the part of the educational community was incredible. The federal government's response under Reagan was pathetic and thousands upon thousands died as a result of his inaction.

Not the folks who contracted AIDS, obviously. Those folks only have themselves to blame.

 

[disneydude]

Not the folks who contracted AIDS, obviously. Those folks only have themselves to blame.

Certainly people should use precautions and I am not saying that Reagan is to blame for the entire epidemic. However, what cannot be discounted is the fact that Reagan did nothing for years because he didn't care. It wasn't affecting the people that he cared about so he sat back and did nothing.
That is why I danced and celebrated when he died...the level of his compassion was reflected by his inactivity.

 

[American]

THAT certainly was part of Reagan's belief system.

Certainly they shared responsibility, but most people DID start practicing safe sex when AIDS came about. The educational effort on the part of the educational community was incredible. The federal government's response under Reagan was pathetic and thousands upon thousands died as a result of his inaction.

You didn't respond to me, guess you have no rebuttal. :2wave:

 

[apdst]

Certainly people should use precautions and I am not saying that Reagan is to blame for the entire epidemic. However, what cannot be discounted is the fact that Reagan did nothing for years because he didn't care. It wasn't affecting the people that he cared about so he sat back and did nothing.
That is why I danced and celebrated when he died...the level of his compassion was reflected by his inactivity.

That's exactly what you're saying. But, hey, I never met a Liberal that believed in personal responsibility.

 

[disneydude]

You didn't respond to me, guess you have no rebuttal. :2wave:

I didn't see it....but I went back and found it.

The work down by the CDC was primarily motivated by efforts in the medical community and the gay community in response to the AIDS epidemic. It wasn't because Reagan showed great leadership.
The reality is, had Reagan gotten the Federal Government involved will the AIDS crisis was in its infancy, thousands of lives could have been saved. There was no effort from the Federal Government to push for education, let alone research, because in Reagan's mind, it was only affecting the gays.
If it had not been for efforts by the gay community to come together and get an education system in place, thousands more would have died.

In a time when Reagan could have shown what a true leader he was, he sat silent. And his silence=death.