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Tea Party Fireworks: Speaker Rips McCain, Obama, 'Cult of Multiculturalism'

Thanks for proving my point.

Literacy by itself is the ability to read and write. You can classify it to a specific area of study as they did historical literacy.

But you did not do that and neither did hazlnut.

Again, know what the definition of a word is and how to use it before you use it incorrectly.

Wrong! It is more than just the ability to read and write. It is the understanding of history. Link

• The NAEP, which is commonly known as the “Nation's Report Card,” shows that less than one-quarter of America's students in grades four, eight, and twelve are proficient in American history.

• Many fourth-graders nationwide can’t identify the first permanent British settlement in the United States. A mere 1% of eighth-graders can explain how the fall of the Berlin Wall affected American foreign policy, and only nine percent know at least two causes of the Civil War.

• The NAEP “report card” on student achievement in U.S. history shows that 53% of twelfth graders are leaving high school with "below basic" knowledge of U.S. history, and just 27% are deemed proficient in civics.

• More than half of high school seniors who took the most recent NAEP U.S. history test thought that Italy, Germany, or Japan was a U.S. ally in the Second World War.

• A survey of college students at fifty-five elite colleges and universities found that more than a third were unable to identify the U.S. Constitution as establishing the division of power in our government and 40% could not place the Civil War in the correct half century.
 

Where is the evidence of the group's racism or more importantly where is the evidence that Tancredo know they were? Go ahead.

There are many racists in the NAACP and Obama addressed them. Does that make him racist too? :roll:


Where is the evidence of the group's racism or more importantly where is the evidence that Tancredo know they were? Go ahead.

There are many racists in the NAACP and Obama addressed them. Does that make him racist too? :roll:

Now compare Tancredo to Ron Paul, who was also supported by White Nationalists. Paul made an effort to distance himself from the crazies. Tancredo embraced the crazies.

Wow are you out there. So in your mind we have a supreme court who is an open racist.

Did you know about Sotomayor? Not only did she address La Raza, she sat on their board.

Are you going to call her a racist as well or is this just for conservatives?


Still waiting for HIS racist comments. Direct quotes please.
 
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Wrong! It is more than just the ability to read and write. It is the understanding of history. Link

What part of Historical Literacy Statistics are you not getting?


How many times do I have to point out you used the word "literacy" ALONE without context and in its original context without clarification is it specific to the ability to read and wrote ALONE.
 
You do realize that this would be equivalent to charging people to vote don't you?

It would be requiring some skin in the game to be able to vote..... that is a whole different idea than charging people to vote.
 
Another American who joins you in his concern about the language and the imaginary characteristic of the Tea Party movement is a former President.

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.” — President Jimmy Carter¹

“And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply.” — President Jimmy Carter²
Good God..... you are quoting Carter? :shock:
 
What part of Historical Literacy Statistics are you not getting?

How many times do I have to point out you used the word "literacy" ALONE without context and in its original context without clarification is it specific to the ability to read and wrote ALONE.

OK. I think I see your confusion. Are you referring to this http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ama-cult-multiculturalism.html#post1058538567? If so, take a look at the first quote from Danarhea. I copied his quote. If that's not it, I have no effing idea to what you are referring to.

and if that is what you are referring to, it was a quote from an article :doh
 
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What percentage of the actual tea party is at the convention? I don't think to my mind that the so called leadership of the movement is really representative of the movement, I think a bunch of politicians just claimed the name since it's a popular thing to be now.


That happens.

If the American Tea Party wishes to become something significant and not just a reflex spasm of outrage at the damned socialists wrecking the nation, they're going to have to grow, establish a mission statement and platform, select leaders, and make themselves heard.

And in any political movement there is always the jockeying for power and position and prestige, and only the rarest movements have leaders that come from out of nowhere. They're adults, they have a history of some kind, and sometimes that means they were part of another political party before they joined the new one.

People trying to make an issue of that are ignorant or fools, or are assuming others are.

Did Eric Clapton come from nowhere? No, before he became his own show, he was part of Cream. So Tom Tancredo makes a speech about the evils of multiculturalism and the perils of allowing unlimited franchise to ignorant voters, so what? All honest people can see the flaws of multiculturalism and unrestricted franchise.

What's the problem?
 
It would be requiring some skin in the game to be able to vote..... that is a whole different idea than charging people to vote.

If you are saying that you need to give the government money to be able to vote, you are in fact charging people to be able to vote.
 
It would be requiring some skin in the game to be able to vote..... that is a whole different idea than charging people to vote.

You would also be increasing the size of government to be able to do this. I thought you were for SMALLER government?
 
If you are saying that you need to give the government money to be able to vote, you are in fact charging people to be able to vote.

No. I'm saying that if you had some skin in the game, you might vote responsibly and not for the person that promises you all the money he can steal from those that do pay taxes.... but you knew that.
 
You would also be increasing the size of government to be able to do this. I thought you were for SMALLER government?

Do you mean that when you register to vote, you not only have to prove who you are, but also show a tax return?

How is that increasing the size of government?
 
No. I'm saying that if you had some skin in the game, you might vote responsibly and not for the person that promises you all the money he can steal from those that do pay taxes.... but you knew that.

You suggested $1. How is that going to make a person vote more responsibly?

Charging people to vote is not the answer nor will it make them vote more responsibly, thank goodness we don't have that.
 
Crunch, there are currently people that currently donate thousands of dollars towards campaigns and pay taxes that I would say don't vote responsibly (ie. they just vote Republican or Dem and don't know the stances of politicians).

Why do you think money given to the government via taxes would somehow make people vote responsibly when there are people that already pay taxes that don't vote responsibly?
 
OK. I think I see your confusion. Are you referring to this http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ama-cult-multiculturalism.html#post1058538567? If so, take a look at the first quote from Danarhea. I copied his quote. If that's not it, I have no effing idea to what you are referring to.

and if that is what you are referring to, it was a quote from an article :doh

No I'm referring to your deleted post where you responded to my challenge that Palin was illiterate.

My quote that you quoted in your deleted post said specifically

Please present your evidence that she is illiterate.

Not historically illiterate, not politically illiterate, but illiterate all by itself.

There is no confusion.
 
Good lord, what is so wrong with requiring someone to be competent before they can vote?

If you can't bother to learn to read, you shouldn't be voting.

Give me a break. :roll: Tancredo's comments had little to do with literacy but all to do with calling anyone who voted for Obama illiterate.


Someone said it well; Tancredo is a lose cannon.

If the Teaparty is all for standing up again the over spending and over taxation by our government -- more power to them. Unfortunately the movement is being hijacked by those on the fringe and the partisan hacks that just hate Obama.

I love how at the "Teaparty Convention the same people that call for an end to extravagant spending by the government are paying $500 a head to attend and another $350 to listen to Caribou Barbie. Anyone else see a contradiction here? Oh and don't forget the Teaparty Cruises. :rofl:rofl:rofl
 
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You should have stopped at "I wasn't there" You have no racist remarks at all to point to.

Do you seriously have that much of reading comprehension problem??:confused:

I clearly said -- BASED ON THE INFORMATION IN THE ARTICLE. That's what this thread is, A DISCUSSION of the INFORMATION/FACTS/QUOTES that are in the article. I can't believe you're so thick as to not understand the basic premise of a discussion thread.


Please present your evidence that [Sarah Palin] is illiterate.

Seriously??:confused:

See, textmaster, we get your little game -- you're trying to split hairs over the meaning of "literacy" and "illiterate". You found a limited definition that suits your petty argument and now you're going to run with it -- "Whoopiedie Doooo!! I own a pocket dictionary."

But the rest of us know that words meanings beyond the basic definition -- they have connotations and denotations... (look those two words up in your pocket dictionary) And while your at it, wrap your head around this concept:

Illiterate: 3 : showing or marked by a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular field of knowledge <musically illiterate>

And I believe the quote was "civics, literacy"...

Now videos, quotes, statements, and testimony by others are posted all over this board about Sarah Palin and her lack of cultural, historical, political, literacy.... Her illiteracy on a variety of topics including civics, economics, public policy, U.S. history, etc....

I don't feel the need to beat a dead horse (or Caribou) do you?

Psst. That isn't a literacy test :roll:

Psst. Your understanding of the word LITERACY is very limited. You should get a big person's dictionary:2wave:
 
… After Civil Rights was instituted in the 1960's, and the practice of conducting literacy tests in the South was effectively ended, racist elements in the United States fell back on subtle "code words" to push their racist views. Lately, however, racists have been emboldened and, as illustrated here, the code words are out, and the real meanings and intents are back. …

Another American who joins you in his concern about the language and the imaginary characteristic of the Tea Party movement is a former President.

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.” — President Jimmy Carter¹

“And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply.” — President Jimmy Carter²

Good God..... you are quoting Carter? :shock:

Indeed I am quoting Carter. Shows you how insightful he is! Even at age 85, President Carter has a keen sense of American society. Personally, I am proud that I voted for him twice.

Most important, the Tea Party movement does not represent a positive development in our politics today. They are regressives and nativists and, yes, racists. Let's move on!
 
I'm going to attempt to inject this thread with some insanity.

I can see 2 sides here. Personally though, I have to disagree with the OP. While Tancredo may indeed have been racist, there is no way to be sure. The US's only experiance with literacy tests has been during reconstruction. Other countries have had literacy tests and they are not racist about it.

Then again, BECAUSE we have had literacy tests before and how abusive precinct managers were with them and, especially since we have a black president, his comment may have been racist or, at least very inflammatory. Us southerners know our history and the vast majority of them, both within and outside the tea parties are not proud of how reconstruction was handled, including literacy tests.

Then again, being how energetic the tea party is, it could very well just be inflammatory just for that reason, not because it is racist. Tancredo shoots his mouth off and you know bashing Obama will always rally opposition.

And another thing, while having the same literacy tests from the 1800's would be racist, isn't voting for someone JUST BECAUSE they "look like me", be just as racist as well?
 
Read what I actually wrote. If you did you wouldn't post such asinine bull****.

I did and what you said was equating voters to prove themselves as being racially discriminatory, talk about jumping to conclusions.

Why stop there though? Why not bar homosexuals from voting considering 85% of this country has religious disapproval of homosexuality? What about parties which do not fit the perfect democratic picture? Why not poor people? Why not old people? Why not young people? Why should we let you vote? How do I know you're not a moron? For all I know you're just some dumbass poor, gay homosexual student with piercings. Why should we let you vote?

How about you answer my question first?

If anyone can vote and their reasons or understanding are completely faulty, why not let children vote?
 
You do realize that this would be equivalent to charging people to vote don't you?

Yep, it's to deter people who don't want to contribute.

And who decides exactly what is on the test, how it is worded, what score you need? Who is going to pay for this?

You effectively want to create a LARGER government to handle this.

Why is this necessary?

I don't think a real test would be practical.
That's why I suggested being a tax payer and not being paid or benefited by the government in most ways.
 
So, raise taxes and pump more money into education. Problem solved.

Anyway, Harry, you're ignoring what the article described as the tone of the speech - "the cult of multiculturalism". I wasn't there, but based on the information in the article, putting the quoted section of the speech in the that context, it is absolutely veiled racism.

I find it ironic that there's a call for a civics, literacy test at a convention where Sarah Palin is speaking. Talk about the elephant in the room.

Yes, ideally we want the voting public to be as informed as possible, but the Vice-Presidential candidate shouldn't need a U.S. history/ poli-sci refresher course before they let her speak in public.

I honestly don't care if it was racism or not, I still believe in the fact that not everyone should vote.
My beliefs are not based on racial prejudice.

As for education, you can't give it more money and get people to learn.
It doesn't and hasn't worked like that practically ever.

Learning comes from personal want.
 
Give me a break. :roll: Tancredo's comments had little to do with literacy but all to do with calling anyone who voted for Obama illiterate.

Many of them are very intelligent, misguided in my opinion, but overall very intelligent people that fell for a snazzy marketing campaign.

Someone said it well; Tancredo is a lose cannon.

I don't care what he is doing.

If the Teaparty is all for standing up again the over spending and over taxation by our government -- more power to them. Unfortunately the movement is being hijacked by those on the fringe and the partisan hacks that just hate Obama.

I love how at the "Teaparty Convention the same people that call for an end to extravagant spending by the government are paying $500 a head to attend and another $350 to listen to Caribou Barbie. Anyone else see a contradiction here? Oh and don't forget the Teaparty Cruises. :rofl:rofl:rofl

I don't care if it is a tea party or a tea bagging porn fest.
I still support the fact that people should be competent when they vote.
 
A test like this is one of those things, in theory, I like.

In practice, I don't.

In a perfect world it'd be relatively simple, straight forward, focused on basic civics things.

In reality I could see it horribly manipulated and used to attempt to exclude portions of the population that SHOULD be voting (IE Not just illegal immigrants, of which I have no problem weeding out from the voting process because they SHOULDN'T BE VOTING) and used to reduce the liberty of citizens of this country.

Its a great thing in theory, but I'd be against it in reality because once you add the human element to it it falls apart
I am a bit sensitive as I am dyslexic, my reading and writing skills at the age of majority were very poor, my reading skills are nearly normal for my age, my writing skills have really only improved because of computer spell checkers, but I still get embarrassed here because of my grammar.

Thank you Xylophone for an excellent post, I think you will understand the content of mine.

Ps when I ran the spell checker on my post, the first choice to correct the spelling of your name is Syphilis
 
Many of them are very intelligent, misguided in my opinion, but overall very intelligent people that fell for a snazzy marketing campaign.



I don't care what he is doing.



I don't care if it is a tea party or a tea bagging porn fest.
I still support the fact that people should be competent when they vote.
Herring mate, do you know the number of dyslexics in the US and their average IQ's?
 
There are many racists in the NAACP and Obama addressed them. Does that make him racist too? :roll:

The NAACP being racist and there being racist people in the NAACP are not the same thing. You sound mighty desperate right now.
 
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