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Fractures emerge as Tea Party convenes

Captain America said:
Myself, I consider those on the side of liberty and personal freedoms to be patriots. Those who war monger, pollute and continually try to demonize and dived the other half of our great nation are the anti-Americans.

Funny how reasonably intelligent people can be so polar in their opinion as to what is and what is not considered "patriotic."
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I find it funny how you chose to attack my over the top example hyperbole, instead of Pugentsounds name calling of a patriotic movement....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I did, I just find it odd this is the first we heard of it. :roll:
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What are you talking about -- I've mentioned the rally I went to last April several times.

Rev -- I've always tried to be straight with you -- In the past, I've given you honest answers to what I thought were honest questions.

But if you're going to start attacking like some of the hyper-partisan far-righters around here... I won't bother.

I was intrigued at the notion of a populist movement inspired by the bailouts and polarization of congress, the lack of any real bipartisan effort by either side. They work for US. WE pay their salaries. So, I went to a rally.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I find it funny how you chose to attack my over the top example hyperbole, instead of Pugentsounds name calling of a patriotic movement....
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Give me time. Just got to this thread. I will look into what Pungent Sounds has to say and comment on it as soon as I can get to it.

Relax Rev. We're still tight. ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I find it funny how you chose to attack my over the top example hyperbole, instead of Pugentsounds name calling of a patriotic movement....
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Its not a Patriotic Movement. Its flash and a Act at best. As far as what kind of movement it is, I would sit on a toilet to be safe...:rofl
 
pugetsoundwa said:
or we might htink he went and knows first hand that the tea baggers are a joke at best. They are trying to portray themselves as some kind of Patriot and are trying to tie their group into being the same as out fore fathers....
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I think the whole topic of this thread deals with the fracture the Teabaggers are dealing with trying to find a common ground amongst their group as a whole.

Initially, I thought it was a great movement with a LOT of potential. That is until the wingnuts hijacked it. Now it's just another Glenn Beck pep rally.

It will be interesting to watch it go by the way of Air America.

I am STILL longing for the day when the original intent of the Tea Party movement comes to fruition. But this attempt turned out to be a one-sided partisan joke.

But honestly, who can blame mainstream Americans for losing interest in it? Who wants to go to a gathering of birthers, wingnuts, whiney malcontented America bashers and listen to them bitch and moan about imaginary "what-if's" and watch them spread their bull**** propaganda?
 
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Captain America said:
I think the whole topic of this thread deals with the fracture the Teabaggers are dealing with trying to find a common ground amongst their group as a whole.

Initially, I thought it was a great movement with a LOT of potential. That is until the wingnuts hijacked it. Now it's just another Glenn Beck pep rally.

It will be interesting to watch it go by the way of Air America.

I am STILL longing for the day when the original intent of the Tea Party movement comes to fruition. But this attempt turned out to be a one-sided partisan joke.
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I too am hoping the moderates and independents find their voice. I would prefer they join the Whig party and make a third party go at it. See my sig to join.
 
hazlnut said:
What are you talking about -- I've mentioned the rally I went to last April several times.

Rev -- I've always tried to be straight with you -- In the past, I've given you honest answers to what I thought were honest questions.
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I know that, but I looked, I can't find any mention of it prior.



If however, you do have something, I will publically apologize...

But if you're going to start attacking like some of the hyper-partisan far-righters around here... I won't bother.

I was intrigued at the notion of a populist movement inspired by the bailouts and polarization of congress, the lack of any real bipartisan effort by either side. They work for US. WE pay their salaries. So, I went to a rally.
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again, I read your posts, I don't see that you mentioned it before, I simply found it suspect. If I am wrong, I apologize.
 
pugetsoundwa said:
Its not a Patriotic Movement. Its flash and a Act at best. As far as what kind of movement it is, I would sit on a toilet to be safe...:rofl
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I would hardly call a group of people, hating the majority of Americans, for their choice of direction they wish to see the country take, "patriotic." The opposite would be true in my opinion.
 
Captain America said:
I think the whole topic of this thread deals with the fracture the Teabaggers are dealing with trying to find a common ground amongst their group as a whole.

Initially, I thought it was a great movement with a LOT of potential. That is until the wingnuts hijacked it. Now it's just another Glenn Beck pep rally.

It will be interesting to watch it go by the way of Air America.

I am STILL longing for the day when the original intent of the Tea Party movement comes to fruition. But this attempt turned out to be a one-sided partisan joke.

But honestly, who can blame mainstream Americans for losing interest in it? Who wants to go to a gathering of birthers, wingnuts, whiney malcontented America bashers and listen to them bitch and moan about imaginary "what-if's" and watch them spread their bull**** propaganda?
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true enough, look at the REFORM PARTY...what happened to them? They even had a State Gov as one of their own for a while. Jessie left them when they started in house fighting just as this movement is.
 
pugetsoundwa said:
Spoken like J Edgar Hoover or is it Joseph McCarthy you emulate??
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I could ask you the same thing. You "teabagger" slur is an attempt to demean patriotic Americans who simply disagree with you...


I was being facetious to point out the absurdity of your slur.... You were serious...


So who is the intolerant one puge? :lol:
 
Captain America said:
Give me time. Just got to this thread. I will look into what Pungent Sounds has to say and comment on it as soon as I can get to it.

Relax Rev. We're still tight. ;)
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bro, just cause we got a new influx of sissies, don't mean we can't banter at our usual clip. :thumbs::2razz::2razz:
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I know that, but I looked, I can't find any mention of it prior.



If however, you do have something, I will publically apologize...




again, I read your posts, I don't see that you mentioned it before, I simply found it suspect. If I am wrong, I apologize.
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I don't remember if it was in a thread I started or someone else's, I wouldn't even know how to search for it. I vaguely remember mentioning it was in Westminster, CA and I was confronted by people who were extremely anti-Obama.

Someone commented that I didn't stay long enough to really understand what was going on -- I don't think so. I had very little in common with those people as far as political views.

Since then, I have seen little evidence that the movement has redefined itself as a true populist uprising against Federal Government misspending of tax revenue.

A lot of what I see is the protesting of things that only exist in a hyper-partisan imagination-- a black and white mentality that dismisses anything lacking the seal of approval from a conservative pundit or GOP hard-liner.
 
Winnb said:
Ah, so other posters DO have to notify you of everything they do. Well good. Now I know.

By the way, my wife and I are going out to dinner tonight. Probably Italian. Unless the weather is bad. If it is I'll PM ya and let you know we changed our plans.
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lol .... that was funny :2funny:
 
reefedjib said:
I too am hoping the moderates and independents find their voice. I would prefer they join the Whig party and make a third party go at it. See my sig to join.
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What "moderates"?

You mean the fools that think the Constitution is a "living sheet of paper" that should crawl away and die because they don't want the government to obey the laws it contains?

Or the "moderates" who want to have all the spending, so long as the rich are taxed enough to pay for it. Never mind that there aren't that many rich people, but it's what they want.

The problem with the "moderate" position is that quicksand isn't a foundation to build on, nor are castles in the sky a wonderful idea, since the wind blows them every which way.
 
hazlnut said:
I don't remember if it was in a thread I started or someone else's, I wouldn't even know how to search for it. I vaguely remember mentioning it was in Westminster, CA and I was confronted by people who were extremely anti-Obama.

Someone commented that I didn't stay long enough to really understand what was going on -- I don't think so. I had very little in common with those people as far as political views.

Since then, I have seen little evidence that the movement has redefined itself as a true populist uprising against Federal Government misspending of tax revenue.

A lot of what I see is the protesting of things that only exist in a hyper-partisan imagination-- a black and white mentality that dismisses anything lacking the seal of approval from a conservative pundit or GOP hard-liner.
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well let me ask you this then. Do you see a difference between them and say the average war protester and thier rhetoric?



There i a groundswell of dissatisfaction, not just with Obama, but congress, dems and repubs.... The tea party movement addresses that, We were no more happy with th bush bailouts than we were with the Obama bailouts, a fact hardly mentioned...

Also if you did go to a tea party, you will also note the numerous anti-war libertarians attending said tea-parties, so to lump them all as a single far right wing movement is wrong. Perhaps the one, you say you went to, was an exception..... I don't know.

But let me ask you, do you think using the slur "tea bagger" helps or hinders the conversation?


Low taxes, government accountability, balanced budget, reduced government size....


What is extreme about any of this?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
What "moderates"?

You mean the fools that think the Constitution is a "living sheet of paper" that should crawl away and die because they don't want the government to obey the laws it contains?

Or the "moderates" who want to have all the spending, so long as the rich are taxed enough to pay for it. Never mind that there aren't that many rich people, but it's what they want.

The problem with the "moderate" position is that quicksand isn't a foundation to build on, nor are castles in the sky a wonderful idea, since the wind blows them every which way.
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Well, good luck defining the moderate position. In my book it is a practical, non-ideological position that borrows solutions from both the left and the right. It is solutions-based, not ideologically driven, since ideology is the problem.

Your metaphors are meaningless. The moderate position is not like quicksand or castles in the sky. It is flexible and NOT excessive.

Personally, I am a strict constitutionalist, intend to delegate entitlement spending to the states and want a non-progressive tax system that is pro-business.

Does that address your "concerns"?
 
A simple search for all of Hazlnut's posts that contained the word "April" brought up this:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...er-misspells-his-own-hate.html#post1058469796
I showed up at a rally back in April. (in 'Libral' L.A.) At it's core, that particular rally was anti-Obama. The majority of the people there were frustrated about the outcome of the election and were all worked up by hyper-partisan talking points about Marxism and Socialism. I didn't meet one person who could talk specifics about TARP, the AIG Bailout, the Stimulus Package. There was a general confusion/misunderstanding about how those policies came about, their purpose, and how they were carried out. Granted, I only spoke with a handful of people, but the ones I met believed that the policies were marxist/socialist and this was all because of Obama.
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He did say before that he went to a Tea Part Protest.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
If however, you do have something, I will publically apologize...
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/63620-teaparty-org-founder-misspells-his-own-hate.html

hazlnut said:
I showed up at a rally back in April. (in 'Libral' L.A.) At it's core, that particular rally was anti-Obama. The majority of the people there were frustrated about the outcome of the election and were all worked up by hyper-partisan talking points about Marxism and Socialism. I didn't meet one person who could talk specifics about TARP, the AIG Bailout, the Stimulus Package. There was a general confusion/misunderstanding about how those policies came about, their purpose, and how they were carried out. Granted, I only spoke with a handful of people, but the ones I met believed that the policies were marxist/socialist and this was all because of Obama.

Over year, I listened to what the various Tea Party reps had to say -- their frustrations and concerns. And, a few times I heard a criticism or two with which I agreed--an intelligent, thoughtful remark about a particular policy. But those were few and far between; the fiscal conservatism was buried in all this ignorant crap--a belief that President Obama is a marxist/socialist, and that the Democrats are all about taxing hard-working Americans to feed lazy homeless people.
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Anyway -- no worries, Rev.

My biggest problem with the Tea Party movement (or what it has become) is the lack of reason or any thoughtful criticism. Maybe it's there somewhere, but all we hear is the overly-broad talking points and anti-Obama propaganda.
 
hazlnut said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/63620-teaparty-org-founder-misspells-his-own-hate.html



Anyway -- no worries, Rev.

My biggest problem with the Tea Party movement (or what it has become) is the lack of reason or any thoughtful criticism. Maybe it's there somewhere, but all we hear is the overly-broad talking points and anti-Obama propaganda.
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see above for apology....


Fact is your looking for a coherent movement when it never was inteded to be anything more than Americans angry at government spending, taxes, et al....


I don't buy into the official "tea party", but rather an uprising by us "Rabble" petitioning our government for redress...


Spending is out of control, government is too big....

Thats what you need to take from all the things you see in the movement...


Like i asked, are you anti-war? What did you think of those protesting?


I think asinine is human, not partisan.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Ahh, very good.


Hazlnut, I apologize. :pimpdaddy:
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No worries.

My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...
 
hazlnut said:
No worries.

My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...
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Right.

The shouldn't be blaming Obama.

They should Blame it on Bush.

Fact of the matter is that the Messiah embodies the policies of evil that are harming this country:

Bigger government bigger spending bigger taxes bigger nannies bigger failures.

That some Republicans go along with this nonsense doesn't alter the fact that the source of this cancer is the Democrat Party, and currently the Messiah is the most visible attribute of that tumor.
 
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hazlnut said:
No worries.

My opinions (words) about the Tea Party are strong because I thought there was such potential at one time.

If those people could take step back and really look to see if their anger is being directed in the right place...
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They do, they blame obama, congress, they blamed bush at the end..... there is plenty of anger and blame to go around..


also you are in LA, so its gonna be kookier than normal, its LA.... ;)
 
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