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China warns against Obama-Dalai Lama meeting

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China warns against Obama-Dalai Lama meeting | Reuters

Is this issue something we in the U.S. should be concerned about?

Retaliation sounds awful, but what can they really do to hurt us, stop loaning us our own money we spent on the crap they build?

That would be doing us a favor and maybe Obama and the rest of the idiots would stop trying to spend ud into the toilet.

China already owns our debt but they can't really foreclose on us.

They try to hack the pentagon Computers everyday already, so no real worries there.

They can't start a war because no one could possibly win one.

I guess they could hold next Christmas hostage and refuse to ship any crap over here till Dec. 26th 2010.

If the goal is too find a way to make Obama look bad diplomatically that should take almost a whole minute and Obama doesn't nee their help for that.

Is this something to be concerned about or just much ado about nothing.

Dalai Lama left Tibet over 50 years ago what's the big deal anyway. There really isn't much in Tibet to fight over past a few Tibetans, the natural resources amount to very little save little nuclear material and some medicinal plants and the Yeti.



BEIJING/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China warned President Barack Obama on Wednesday that a meeting with the Dalai Lama would further erode ties between the two powers, already troubled by Washington's arms sales to Taiwan.

The White House confirmed on Tuesday that Obama would meet the exiled Tibetan Buddhist leader, reviled by Beijing as a separatist for seeking self-rule for his mountainous homeland.

China's angry response reflected deepening tension between the world's biggest and third-biggest economies, with Beijing noting that President Hu Jintao himself urged Obama not to meet the exiled Tibetan leader.

During a summit with Obama in Beijing in November, Hu "explained China's stern position of resolutely opposing any government leaders and officials meeting the Dalai," said Ma Zhaoxu, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman.

"We urge the U.S. to fully grasp the high sensitivity of the Tibetan issues, to prudently and appropriately deal with related matters, and avoid bringing further damage to China-U.S. relations."

The White House shrugged off Beijing's earlier warnings about the meeting, which may happen as early as this month.

China's ire at the U.S. announcement was predictable, as was the White House's confirmation of the meeting, which has long been flagged.
 
Obama needs China to agree to further sanctions on Iran.
Cannot see the great black messiah getting China agreement, can you?
 
Obama may think he needs to kiss Chinese butt to get it but it won't happen unless there is something big in it for China.

Tibet is nothing of importance really. Do you thinks Cina cares about a few tourists who want to climb mountains or look for the Yeti? I don't think so.

I know Tibet is just a pawn but why?

I did look up resources in Tibet and there really is nothing significant or that makes sense. It's not like it's great farm land.
 
Obama needs China to agree to further sanctions on Iran.
Cannot see the great black messiah getting China agreement, can you?

Actually, he needs Russia OR China. If he can get the Russians to agree, he can tell the Chinese to go **** their mommies.

China may be willing to agree to sanction Iran in exchange for Obama NOT meeting with the Dali Lama (which is not really any of China's business anyway).

China has long been out of control and in need of a foot up their crooked asses.
 
Actually, he needs Russia OR China. If he can get the Russians to agree, he can tell the Chinese to go **** their mommies.

China may be willing to agree to sanction Iran in exchange for Obama NOT meeting with the Dali Lama (which is not really any of China's business anyway).

China has long been out of control and in need of a foot up their crooked asses.

And no doubt once the USA is out of Chinese debt the US powers that be, may well plant that foot.
However until that particular fairy tale ending arrives, the USA will pretty much do what it is told to do.
 
Actually, he needs Russia OR China. If he can get the Russians to agree, he can tell the Chinese to go **** their mommies.

China may be willing to agree to sanction Iran in exchange for Obama NOT meeting with the Dali Lama (which is not really any of China's business anyway).

China has long been out of control and in need of a foot up their crooked asses.

I see that the problem being Russia becoming more and more important to the vitality and progression of Europe, as they control the energy pipelines and much of Western Europe and all of Eastern Europe relies on. This essentially means that Russia soon might have their iron fists around soft-European balls.

The incursion of the United States attempting to build a missile defense system in Poland surely annoyed Russia, but even worse, it spooked Russia a bit too. The real question seems to be whether or not Russia is looking for an opportunity to prove itself in wake of the United States declining economy. They cannot be entirely trusted.

China, on the other hand, has it's Red-hand on our softening balls. Its emerging capitalist economy appears to be both good for the United States and bad for the United States, as it is more willingly to play ball (i.e. loan and own our debt). We have a real issue with China's social sphere, and the United States is cautious about relying on such a system. They are, however, necessary for their influence on the North Korean regime (especially as the regime will shortly transition, that's right I say within the next 3-5 years Kim Jong-Il is gonna die).

I would not take the Chinese warning as anything but rhetoric.
 
Arch enemy posted.
Quote(The incursion of the United States attempting to build a missile defense system in Poland surely annoyed Russia, but even worse, it spooked Russia a bit too. The real question seems to be whether or not Russia is looking for an opportunity to prove itself in wake of the United States declining economy. They cannot be entirely trusted.)

The US has now agreed with Romania that a missile system similar to that which was to have been placed in Poland, be now placed in Romania.

However your point with regards to Russian influence via energy supplies, is well taken.
 
Good job Mr.President, if you continue with this foriegn policy tract I might even vote for you in 2012. China must be isolated, it must be fragmented, and if at all possible regime change by any means.
 
Good job Mr.President, if you continue with this foriegn policy tract I might even vote for you in 2012. China must be isolated, it must be fragmented, and if at all possible regime change by any means.

China must never again become isolated, it is now and must always remain an integral Nation within the civilized group of nations.
 
Actually, he needs Russia OR China. If he can get the Russians to agree, he can tell the Chinese to go **** their mommies.

So long as China has veto power in the United Nations, this simply is not true. BOTH Russia and China need to sign on to any sanctions for them to get UNSC approval. Even in the best of times, getting China to agree to that is a very long stretch.. but now, don't even think of it. Point is, on this China has very little leverage here because it wasn't about to approve sanctions anyway, so it isn't like their opposition to it is a response to growing Sino-American tension.

China may be willing to agree to sanction Iran in exchange for Obama NOT meeting with the Dali Lama (which is not really any of China's business anyway).

Doubtful.

China has long been out of control and in need of a foot up their crooked asses.

They have an inflated sense of importance, magnificed by the kowtowing of the media and various heads of state/government to the Chinese leaders. I am VERY HAPPY to see President Obama push back at the Chinese. I don't agree much with Obama and his administration, but I am wholeheartedly in support of his recent decisions as they regard U.S. relations with Red China.
 
And no doubt once the USA is out of Chinese debt the US powers that be, may well plant that foot.
However until that particular fairy tale ending arrives, the USA will pretty much do what it is told to do.

Or China will do what? Sell it all off, cause a devaluation of US currency and thus devalue their own U.S. dollar holdings? Not likely.
 
China must never again become isolated, it is now and must always remain an integral Nation within the civilized group of nations.

At what cost? When their government doesn't accept or play by the norms of civilized nations, how can the civilized world even begin to consider to treat with them on such equal basis?
 
Didn't republicans complain back when Obama wasn't meeting the Dalai Lama?
 
I see that the problem being Russia becoming more and more important to the vitality and progression of Europe, as they control the energy pipelines and much of Western Europe and all of Eastern Europe relies on. This essentially means that Russia soon might have their iron fists around soft-European balls.

The incursion of the United States attempting to build a missile defense system in Poland surely annoyed Russia, but even worse, it spooked Russia a bit too. The real question seems to be whether or not Russia is looking for an opportunity to prove itself in wake of the United States declining economy. They cannot be entirely trusted.

China, on the other hand, has it's Red-hand on our softening balls. Its emerging capitalist economy appears to be both good for the United States and bad for the United States, as it is more willingly to play ball (i.e. loan and own our debt). We have a real issue with China's social sphere, and the United States is cautious about relying on such a system. They are, however, necessary for their influence on the North Korean regime (especially as the regime will shortly transition, that's right I say within the next 3-5 years Kim Jong-Il is gonna die).

I would not take the Chinese warning as anything but rhetoric.

The Chinese won't do zilch.....
All of Europe would be speaking Russian if it were not for the US...
Not only did we bail Europe out of WWI & II, we did it in the cold war too....
If the US does not keep the pressure on the Soviets, Europe will fall in short order.....
The Germans might put up a fight, but the rest will kow tow....;)
 
The Chinese won't do zilch.....
All of Europe would be speaking Russian if it were not for the US...
Not only did we bail Europe out of WWI & II, we did it in the cold war too....
If the US does not keep the pressure on the Soviets, Europe will fall in short order.....
The Germans might put up a fight, but the rest will kow tow....;)

The UK will not kow tow to ANYBODY.
 
I hope Obama meets the Dalai Lama.

And I think China's appalling human rights record should get more attention from the rest of the world. In fact, maybe Obama should tell the Chinese leaders that if they give him a hard time at the UN he and the Europeans will start taking a closer look at what China is doing to Tibet and also to their own people.
 
I hope Obama meets the Dalai Lama.

And I think China's appalling human rights record should get more attention from the rest of the world. In fact, maybe Obama should tell the Chinese leaders that if they give him a hard time at the UN he and the Europeans will start taking a closer look at what China is doing to Tibet and also to their own people.

Somehow, I don't see any of this happening.
 
I wish the Western world would grow a pair and acknowledge the Dalai Lama as the true leader of the Tibetans. But the truth is that our governments don't really give a toss. Our governments supressed the natives of our own nations savagely. Why would they care if a foreign power is doing it to indigenous people in their side of the world?

The whole situation is ****ed. It's why I left China and didn't look back. The situation in Xinjiang is just as bad. No one cares about the welfare of other humans, until it is they who are at the end of the bayonette. Then suddenly it matters.
 
624. Plot on Chinese New Year Day (2/7/2010)

There is a massive propaganda movement about the conflict between China and US recently.

On January 29, US announced it would sell $6.4 billion worth of arms to Taiwan. China quickly suspended military exchanges with US and threatened of sanctions against the U.S. companies involved in the sale.

On February 2, Beijing blasted the US government for a planned meeting between president Obama and the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet.

The arms sale to Taiwan was a years old case. Bush administration did not want to offend China so they left it aside. Why Obama's team picks up this hot potato? A meeting with the Dalai Lama is even more an unnecessary. It achieves nothing but a dispute between the two countries. No one is foolish enough to do so. It obviously is a show to tell people that China and US having a quarrel. The purpose is to cover up a secret deal- a framed drug case in which China will play a major role from planting the drugs to supplying "witness". To make the framed drug case more believable, they created a situation that two countries are hostile so people won't suspect there is a conspiracy between the two.

The likely action date is February 13 - The Eve before the New Year's Day (Chinese). Chinese used to have a family reunion at that evening.

Since it is a framed case, Feds used to create big events to distract. There may be a big natural disaster - earthquake; terror attack and possibly, Iran war to transfer public's attention.

Since it is a framed case, Feds will kill many innocent people. One target is B - my brother in law. I think the drug is planted in the merchandise he imported from China. Last month, he was told that he had heart trouble by a doctor. It is a pre-psychological planting to justify a murder. Feds prepared a "heart attack" death for him.
 
**** China. Tell them to go pound rice up their ass.
 
I wish the Western world would grow a pair and acknowledge the Dalai Lama as the true leader of the Tibetans. But the truth is that our governments don't really give a toss. Our governments supressed the natives of our own nations savagely. Why would they care if a foreign power is doing it to indigenous people in their side of the world?

The whole situation is ****ed. It's why I left China and didn't look back. The situation in Xinjiang is just as bad. No one cares about the welfare of other humans, until it is they who are at the end of the bayonette. Then suddenly it matters.

That's not true. There are a great many people who care about the welfare of others. Getting spurred to action, however, is extremely difficult for a nation to do considering all the different things they have to juggle, such as commitments to other nations, domestic and foreign businesses, their military, and their constituencies.
 
So long as China has veto power in the United Nations, this simply is not true. BOTH Russia and China need to sign on to any sanctions for them to get UNSC approval. Even in the best of times, getting China to agree to that is a very long stretch.. but now, don't even think of it. Point is, on this China has very little leverage here because it wasn't about to approve sanctions anyway, so it isn't like their opposition to it is a response to growing Sino-American tension.



Doubtful.



They have an inflated sense of importance, magnificed by the kowtowing of the media and various heads of state/government to the Chinese leaders. I am VERY HAPPY to see President Obama push back at the Chinese. I don't agree much with Obama and his administration, but I am wholeheartedly in support of his recent decisions as they regard U.S. relations with Red China.

After what China did to the University of Calgary, the US, UK, and any other country with Chinese exchange students needs to cancel all Chinese exchange student visas, eject all Chinese exchange students, ban Chinese tourists and cancel any accredation any Chinese schools may have.

Tell the jackoffs in China they can agree to sanction Iran or these new regs become permenant.... then ... we cease all commerical ties with China. No more chinese-made products will be allowed in western countries.

No chinese crap in the UK, Germany, USA, Canada, ect ...!

Let the little ****holes feel the wrath of a pissed off western world.
 
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