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Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

American said:
All I can say is that you better not be openly gay if captured in Afghanistan. They have a different view on things over there.
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Matters not, since any American captured would mostly be tortured and then beheaded.
 
CrusaderRabbit08 said:
Matters not, since any American captured would mostly be tortured and then beheaded.
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And then only if you're a male. Course...the Taliban nor al-Qaeda nor militant Islam want to capture and photo a woman. You ain't gonna see no Nick Berg(still the most horrifying thing I've seen on the internet besides 9-11), you ain't gonna see no Daniel Pearl murder, you ain't gonna see the soldier if it's a female.

Imagine....these militants dragging a woman's naked body behind a pickup truck....imagine just for a moment...Daniel Pearl being cute lil Katie Couric.....

You want to speak to waking a sleeping giant.....Americans would cut through Afghanistan like Sherman through Atlanta, it won't be pretty.

Where I agree with the hare here, it matters not....orientation makes no difference.....gender does. TV cameras filming an American lesbian being defiled or her corpse desecrated...and you'll see wholesale slaughter on the part of Americans. It be a mother or some very young terrified face...we'd probably drop a nuke.

I understand it, it still don't make it right. Anyone want to know who we're really fighting, watch the Nick Berg video if it's still available. Our enemies are determined and terrible.
 
deltabtry said:
LOL..served for ten years USMC...ACTIVE duty. You should ask before assuming. Your right they are fine people but, I also know what happens to military personnel when they are discovered as being homosexual..
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Well no, you have a very very low opinion of our service people if you think they would commit murder over something that is none of their business and does not effect them.
 
I think they should ban gays in the military. Also blacks are inferior, so they should not be allowed in a leading role... latrine diggers and labours is no problem. No women of course! Their role is to make babies after all and look pretty. And of course no Muslims, they are the enemy along with the commies. No Arabs either, because they cant be trusted. And we cant have those shady Jews in the military either since they are just Arabs also.

Think that should cover it.....











and for those that think I am at all serious and not ironic need their heads examined.

This debate is and always has been based on religious dogma and has never made any sense what so ever in the civilized world. But as usual the conservative parts of society defend discrimatory practices tooth and nail.
 
PeteEU said:
and for those that think I am at all serious .
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We've never taken as serious the blatherings from across the pond, Pete! Nothing personal, we already declared independence, we already altered and changed the course of history, we've learned all we can from our Euro neighbors. We appreciate the take under wing approach, we'll handle things from here, thanks.;)
 
Charles Martel said:
We've never taken as serious the blatherings from across the pond, Pete! Nothing personal, we already declared independence, we already altered and changed the course of history, we've learned all we can from our Euro neighbors. We appreciate the take under wing approach, we'll handle things from here, thanks.;)
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What does that have to do with anything? Nothing? Got it.
 
I think the right-wing is so up in arms over this because they are afraid that if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, people who may not otherwise be exposed to gay people will....and will see that they are just normal people with the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. They will learn to not be afraid of gay people. Fear is the only card that the right-wing has left in their crusade against rights for gay people. If they lose that fear card, they may not be able to prevent gay marriage and to them that is the big big issue.
 
Hatuey said:
What does that have to do with anything? Nothing? Got it.
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No one takes you seriously either, Hat, put me on you ignore list, I just put you on mine.:)
 
disneydude said:
I think the right-wing is so up in arms over this because they are afraid that if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, people who may not otherwise be exposed to gay people will....and will see that they are just normal people with the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. They will learn to not be afraid of gay people. Fear is the only card that the right-wing has left in their crusade against rights for gay people. If they lose that fear card, they may not be able to prevent gay marriage and to them that is the big big issue.
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I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
 
Charles Martel said:
I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
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We (military) test for HIV quite extensively; when servicemembers test HIV positive, they are allowed to serve until they get sick enough to where they can no longer perform their duties (after AIDS sets in, usually). With proper treatment, individuals can be HIV positive for years before contracting AIDS.

Also, only the unit commander is allowed to know who is HIV positive in the unit, it is kept completely confidential.

Servicemembers who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays, as I'm sure you know.
 
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Charles Martel said:
I think the AIDS issue needs to be addressed.
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Let's address it.

How precisely will allowing gays to serve openly in the military affect HIV in the military? Are any of the other 24 countries that allow gays to serve dealing with horrific HIV epidemics as a result of their policy?

If you are going to say it needs to be addressed, then you probably should say why it needs to be addressed. Gays are already in the military, so it doesn't really matter if they represent a higher proportion of HIV infections. What is at issue is whether they should be allowed to serve openly or if they must continue to serve secretly. Are you afraid they are going to have more unprotected sex if they are allowed to serve openly than they would by being restricted to serving secretly? Do you think more HIV positive gay men will join the military if there is no DADT policy?

HIV is a valid health concern, but as far as I can tell, it has very little to do with DADT policy. It's pretty much just a red herring.
 
kansaswhig said:
Servicemembers who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays, as I'm sure you know.
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Citizens who test positive for HIV are not limited to just gays either. But, with such shocking disproportionate stats, the issue needs to be raised.
 
This thread just makes me want to dance:

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CriticalThought said:
If you are going to say it needs to be addressed, then you probably should say why it needs to be addressed.
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Because male contraction rates are so disproportionatle high amongs makes in general, the disease must be addressed should we allow them to serve openly.

Gays are already in the military, so it doesn't really matter if they represent a higher proportion of HIV infections.
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Why doesn't it matter. First of all, if they're active gays, they're violating the UCMJ but I guess that doesn't matter. Secondly, it does matter if they represent higher proportions, can you give an explanation for that?

What is at issue is whether they should be allowed to serve openly or if they must continue to serve secretly.
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In other words, condone sodomy.

Are you afraid they are going to have more unprotected sex if they are allowed to serve openly than they would by being restricted to serving secretly?
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No, I'm worried they'll have just as much unprotected sex as they're having now when after decades of education, gay men still dominate the AIDS stats in this country and it's not even close.

Do you think more HIV positive gay men will join the military if there is no DADT policy?
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Yes, I do. Especially in a tough economy, especially if we announce sodomy is no longer a concern.

HIV is a valid health concern, but as far as I can tell, it has very little to do with DADT policy. It's pretty much just a red herring.
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It is a valid health concern.....expecially since male gay men absolutely dominate that concern in this country.
 
disneydude said:
I think the right-wing is so up in arms over this because they are afraid that if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military, people who may not otherwise be exposed to gay people will....and will see that they are just normal people with the same hopes and dreams as anyone else. They will learn to not be afraid of gay people. Fear is the only card that the right-wing has left in their crusade against rights for gay people. If they lose that fear card, they may not be able to prevent gay marriage and to them that is the big big issue.
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Unless I was in a military communal shower with one of them, and then I'd be worrying if I dropped the soap.;)
 
bicycleman said:
Unless I was in a military communal shower with one of them, and then I'd be worrying if I dropped the soap.;)
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Yes, because being gay means you are some sort of subhuman animal who cannot control their sex drive :roll:
 
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