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Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted

How prominent are racial jokes and slurs? If they're as prominent as homosexual jokes and slurs, it probably wouldn't be a problem.

I dont hear them near as often as gay jokes. There are not as many minoritys in the special ops community as most other branches of the military so that may have something to do with it.
 
If opposite sex attraction challenged people are openly allowed in the military, I think there should be some changes in the lodging set-up. Everyone should get their own room when able.

Additionally some other rules should be changed: right now in some bases in southwest Asia, where thousands of military people are there on temporary duty assignments, it is basically a crime for a man to be in a woman’s room or vice versa. This is to prevent potential sexual relations from occurring, however, for opposite sex attraction challenged people there are no such restrictions.

Spending money on tons of new quarters is not something the military should be doing right now. There are way to many other things the military needs to be buying instead of new barracks. That is part of what I was talking about earlier about no special treatment.
 
Let the enlisted people aboard ship decide........Mullin is clueless......He does not have the same hardship and E1 thru E6 has.........He has his own stateroom and shower.............Not the same for enlisted personnel..

Not only should gays serve aboard ship, but they should be in charge of the towels and showers. Hey. who's that sailor watching you and what's going through his mind? ;) ..LOL :mrgreen:
 
Enlisted people make decisins all the time........They are the ones the policy affects....they should have a say in it................

They should also get to decide how long they can grow their hair, when they need to polish their shoes, and if they should salute officers ;)
 
Any President can overturn DADT via executive order as his role as Commander-in-Chief.

A president can not change a law.........That is what the congress is for.......
 
Gays should be able to join the army because the army is the safe-guard of the nation, if you are denied the right to protect your nation, then you are consequentially denied the right to stand for your country, for your family, and for your ideas.

WOW!

OK. This is the first argument I have ever heard in favor of open service I agree with. In fact I am convinced.

I say let em' serve openly.

You are absofukenlutly right Arch.
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........
 
A president can not change a law.........That is what the congress is for.......

That is rather murky, and when it comes to the operations of the military Congress has few checks against him. Since the President is the sole holder of executive authority in the government he can determine how executive agencies operate. This is especially the case with regards to the military, since he is explicitly named as Commander-in-Chief. And doing so is has it's historical support, since Truman didn't wait for Congress to pass a law getting rid of segregation in the military and integrated it via executive order.
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

Some would but aren't allowed since they're gay.
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

I would but I cannot salute with a straight face.
 
I say we shouldn't let people with blonde hair openly serve... make em dye their hair.
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

That's how it's done in this country. The people elect representatives, who in turn enact the laws which govern the military.
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

You're not serving either. ;)
 
No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

As you can see by my pic, I'm currently serving in the bunny rabbit Army; so I understand. And guess what? My horsie is gay ;)
 
"You don't have to be straight to shoot straight."

Case closed. :mrgreen:
 
I don't know how many times I have heard the expression "Let's let the generals decide this issue". Well, the top general (actually, an admiral - same thing), has spoken. He is not only an Admiral, but is CHAIRMAN of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Will I now hear "Let's let generals other than the ones who disagree with me decide the issue"? Or will I hear "Let's let some random privates decide the issue, as long as they don't disagree with me"? Or possibly "Let's get an opinion from military cooks, as long as they don't disagree with me"?

Here is the way I see it -

1) If someone wants to defend the United States against its enemies, I don't care if he or she is gay, or straight, or whatever. Besides, his or her sexual orientation is none of my damn business, unless he or she is disrupting other troops by hitting on them. There are rules for that already in the military for straights. They will apply to gays too.

2) If gays serve in the military, I will also thank them for their service, because I love my country, and I know they do too.

To those who don't like the idea of gays serving in the military, you might as well prepare to accept it. It is going to happen sooner or later, and it is going to be a benefit to our military, rather than a liability.

Article is here.
Your right on the mark but, you forgot who they have to serve with meaning eat, sleep, train, fight together. On screw up and the homosexual references will be brought up with those who they serve with as being the cause. The desention amongst the ranks, distrust, predijuce, hatred etc. Then the next thing you know we have FF/frag in the field.
 
Your right on the mark but, you forgot who they have to serve with meaning eat, sleep, train, fight together. On screw up and the homosexual references will be brought up with those who they serve with as being the cause. The desention amongst the ranks, distrust, predijuce, hatred etc. Then the next thing you know we have FF/frag in the field.

And yet they are already serving with homosexuals. You know, eating with homosexuals, showering with homosexuals, making dick jokes infront of homosexuals. It seems like you assume that DADT has kept homosexuals out of the military, and now open service is going to bring everything crashing down....
 
Its real big of all you lefties who are not serving dictate to the people who are serving......No skin off your ass........you guys should all join.......you might change your mind on the issue..........

I did join, as do many "lefties". Do we not count since we don't agree with you?
 
Your right on the mark but, you forgot who they have to serve with meaning eat, sleep, train, fight together.

They already do.

On screw up and the homosexual references will be brought up with those who they serve with as being the cause.

And they would be disciplined. Just like people who use racist language, sexist language etc.

The desention amongst the ranks, distrust, predijuce, hatred etc. Then the next thing you know we have FF/frag in the field.

How many FF incidents are there in the military every year? Maybe a dozen? Maybe? And this is with a military that already has disagreements, distrust, prejudice and hatred inside of it. No your argument simply does not hold water.
 
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