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US raises stakes on Iran by sending in ships and missiles

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Chris McGreal in Washington guardian.co.uk,
Sunday 31 January 2010 19.07 GMT

Tension between the US and Iran heightened dramatically today with the disclosure that Barack Obama is deploying a missile shield to protect American allies in the Gulf from attack by Tehran.
The US is dispatching Patriot defensive missiles to four countries – Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Kuwait – and keeping two ships in the Gulf capable of shooting down Iranian missiles. Washington is also helping Saudi Arabia develop a force to protect its oil installations.
American officials said the move is aimed at deterring an attack by Iran and reassuring Gulf states fearful that Tehran might react to sanctions by striking at US allies in the region. Washington is also seeking to discourage Israel from a strike against Iran by demonstrating that the US is prepared to contain any threat.
The deployment comes after Obama's attempts to emphasise diplomacy over confrontation in dealing with Iran – a contrast to the Bush administration's approach – have failed to persuade Tehran to open its nuclear installations to international controls. The White House is now trying to engineer agreement for sanctions focused on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, believed to be in charge of the atomic programme.
Washington has not formally announced the deployment of the Patriots and other anti-missile systems, but by leaking it to American newspapers the administration is evidently seeking to alert Tehran to a hardening of its position.
The administration is deploying two Patriot batteries, capable of shooting down incoming missiles, in each of the four Gulf countries. Kuwait already has an older version of the missile, deployed after Iraq's invasion. Saudi Arabia has long had the missiles, as has Israel.
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Could Obama be giving the Iranians the same double talk he gives us. :confused:
 
Sadly it's way too early in the game to believe Obama is doing anything more than bluster.

So far he has shown zero back bone and no indication that he or anyone else in his administration knows what the hell they are doing.

I only hope the Pentagon has a plan in place to decimate Iran's Revolutionary Guard with real shock and awe that takes only a few minutes to accomplish and takes out the leadership of the Islamic Cult at the same time.
 
OxymoronP said:
Lets hope, Obama does the right thing and puts our foot to their throat.
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And let's hope all of those in favor of more military action are willing to write personal checks to pay for it. Cuz my bank account has grown weary of funding these little "adventures".
 
ptif219 said:
So much for Obama talking to Iran
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It's time for the idiots that run Iran to get their sorry terrorist asses kicked anyway.

They got plenty of time to respond and stop building nukes. Now the gloves come off.

Aminiajihad and his masters are out of time now.
 
Winnb said:
And let's hope all of those in favor of more military action are willing to write personal checks to pay for it. Cuz my bank account has grown weary of funding these little "adventures".
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Or better yet getting out of their comfy chair and enlisting. But no worries if we truly did go to war with Iran we'd have to resume the draft and it would be time for all the chicken hawks do put their words into actions. I'd happily reenlist and be their drill sgt. :2razz:
 
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Vader said:
It's time for the idiots that run Iran to get their sorry terrorist asses kicked anyway.

They got plenty of time to respond and stop building nukes. Now the gloves come off.

Aminiajihad and his masters are out of time now.
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Obama is the one who claimed negotiations was needed
 
Vader said:
It's time for the idiots that run Iran to get their sorry terrorist asses kicked anyway.

They got plenty of time to respond and stop building nukes. Now the gloves come off.

Aminiajihad and his masters are out of time now.
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Hold on there Hoss, Obama has pushed the button yet. :mrgreen:
 
Just another Bush policy being proven right.;)
 
Is he not going to sit down with them and try to hash things out over a beer first?
 
Jerry said:
Just like the child tax credit Obama said he would double :mrgreen:
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I was speaking to foreign policies, Gitmo, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Patriot Act, missile shields, prisoner rights or lack of them, etc.
 
Charles Martel said:
I was speaking to foreign policies, Gitmo, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Patriot Act, missile shields, prisoner rights or lack of them, etc.
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Oh well didn't Obama admit that we need to hold some Git'mo detainees indefinitely without ever charging them?
 
Probably has some intel of an Iranian attack on Feb 11.


state-run Press TV quoted Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday as saying that the nation will deliver a harsh blow to "global arrogance" on February 11.

Press TV offered no details on or explanation of the statement.
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Iran opposition leaders call for protests - CNN.com
 
Red_Dave said:
He kinda did..
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When?
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Winnb said:
And let's hope all of those in favor of more military action are willing to write personal checks to pay for it. Cuz my bank account has grown weary of funding these little "adventures".
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Your personal bank account isn't "funding these little adventures" and has no more stress placed upon it than any other American's. You pay taxes just like everyone else and that collective fund pays for things like national defense and our military. The money is no longer yours; it becomes the State's.
 
ptif219 said:
Obama is the one who claimed negotiations was needed
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I remember Reagan negotiating with Russia, and when he was doing it, he was applying the pressure to them. If Obama wants Iran to know that missteps by them will have consequences, I am all for it. As much as I bash Obama, I have to give him kudos here.

Al Capone said:
A kind word and a gun will go a lot further than just a kind word.
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jallman said:
Your personal bank account isn't "funding these little adventures" and has no more stress placed upon it than any other American's. You pay taxes just like everyone else and that collective fund pays for things like national defense and our military. The money is no longer yours; it becomes the State's.
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In that case I'd like my share of the money back. We all funded Bush's adventures and now we have to fund Obama's. We've been in Afghanistan for about 8 years and Iraq for about 7. That's 15 years worth of 2 wars. I'm not sure we can afford another adventure in Iran.

And it doesn't make me feel better to know my bank account is no more stressed than anyone else's. As a matter of fact it makes me feel just as bad for everyone else.
 
Winnb said:
In that case I'd like my share of the money back.
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You don't have a "share" of the money. You paid your taxes and now the money is in the coffers of the State. The idea that you have a "share" of the coffers of the State is as absurd as claiming you have a "share" of the proceeds from your grocer after paying for your weekly gocery bill.
 
jallman said:
You don't have a "share" of the money. You paid your taxes and now the money is in the coffers of the State. The idea that you have a "share" of the coffers of the State is as absurd as claiming you have a "share" of the proceeds from your grocer after paying for your weekly gocery bill.
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That doesn't add up.

When I buy groceries I select and pay for ONLY those items I wish to purchase. I also select many items based on price. I have the freedom to choose or not choose exactly how I wish to spend my money.

I have no such ability when I pay taxes. That money is taken from me in a myriad of ways and spent without any consent from me. Therefore I have a share and a stake in all transactions my government makes with my money. I do not care, nor is it any of my business, how my grocer spends my money after I willingly give it to him.

Every American citizen has a share in the taxes that are taken from them via laws that are heavily enforced. If I refuse to pay those taxes I can be fined and imprisoned. I can assure you my grocer has never flashed a badge and threatened me with imprisonment if I didn't buy groceries from him.

So you might want to rethink your grocery store analogy. One is a voluntary transaction between two private individuals. The other is a powerful entity taking money from an individual and spending that money however they see fit.

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Winnb said:
That doesn't add up.
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It most certainly does add up. You pay your taxes to the state in exchange for the protection of the State, the joint infrastructure the State provides, and all the other public works.

You don't get to demand where your money is spent except with your vote. When you voted, you voted for representation to decide how the State's coffers are spent.

If you don't like how it's being spent, rethink your vote next time and cast it for someone more in line with how you think it should be spent.
 
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