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Obama Said to Seek $54 Billion in Nuclear-Power Loans

Kandahar said:
By the time we could get nuclear plants online in 10 years, electric cars will be cheap enough and powerful enough to enter the mainstream.
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That's what many observers said ten years ago.
 
Charles Martel said:
That's what many observers said ten years ago.
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Back in my younger days, in the 60's, Popular Science said that nuclear power would be too cheap to meter. Later on, they said fusion power was just around the corner. They said that the aircar would be the answer to traffic jams.
some of these ideas are not as practical as they seem...
and some of the naysayers are right....;)
 
Kandahar said:
By the time we could get nuclear plants online in 10 years, electric cars will be cheap enough and powerful enough to enter the mainstream.
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So it would be a win/win then. Even if all vehicles could be electric I am for getting us of foreign oil. I would prefer Solar or hydro or even wind but at this point am willing to conceder Nuclear.
 
pugetsoundwa said:
So it would be a win/win then. Even if all vehicles could be electric I am for getting us of foreign oil. I would prefer Solar or hydro or even wind but at this point am willing to conceder Nuclear.
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Let's start drilling our own oil, until the rest of those options can be brought on line. Just imagine all the jobs created and saved!
 
apdst said:
Let's start drilling our own oil, until the rest of those options can be brought on line. Just imagine all the jobs created and saved!
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We have been drilling our own oil for the last hundred years. There are over a thousand rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. US oil companies have cut back drilling since demand has dropped. Just how are you going to get them to drill more? Government takeover?
 
USA-1 said:
We have been drilling our own oil for the last hundred years. There are over a thousand rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. US oil companies have cut back drilling since demand has dropped. Just how are you going to get them to drill more? Government takeover?
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Stop scaring the **** out of them with punitive taxes. Insure the entire private sector that there won't be a cap-n-trade. Allow the private sector to fix the economy and stop thinking that the government can do it alone.

BTW, there aren't thousands of rigs in the gulf.
 
apdst said:
Let's start drilling our own oil, until the rest of those options can be brought on line. Just imagine all the jobs created and saved!
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We can't drill ourselves to independence. I wish it was that simple...
 
apdst said:
Stop scaring the **** out of them with punitive taxes. Insure the entire private sector that there won't be a cap-n-trade. Allow the private sector to fix the economy and stop thinking that the government can do it alone.

BTW, there aren't thousands of rigs in the gulf.
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The oil industry is one of the most subsidized industries there is.
 
pugetsoundwa said:
We can't drill ourselves to independence. I wish it was that simple...
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No, we can't, but we can use oil and natural gas to fill the gap that lies between us and energy independence and create some jobs in the process. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want either of those outcomes.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Did anyone know the U.S. imports 92 percent of our uranium? Kind of reminds me of oil.
:doh

one of the biggest misconceptions about nuclear power at the moment is this: It will end our energy dependence foreigners. The truth is it will not. That's the dirty little secret most people don't know about nuclear power in the United States these days.

Trends I'm Watching: U.S. Imports 92% of Uranium for Nuclear Power
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Uranium give you a lot more bang for your buck -- that's probably a huge understatement.

It's not about nuclear energy ending foreign dependence -- the two aren't even really related in that sense. Our cars don't run on nuclear energy... Yet...;)

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The point is, getting more nuclear plants up and running is about diversification, cost efficiency, cleaner energy. Our electric bills may go up for a time (depending on you state) but over the long haul, energy will become cheaper to produce and bills will go down.
 
apdst said:
Saved you the trouble of being wrong?...:rofl
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Actually you are still wrong.
"An offshore platform, often referred to as an oil platform or an oil rig, is a large structure used to house workers and machinery needed to drill wells in the ocean bed, extract oil and/or natural gas, process the produced fluids, and ship or pipe them to shore."

I never said rotary rig. I said "rigs" and that covers all.
 
USA-1 said:
Actually you are still wrong.
"An offshore platform, often referred to as an oil platform or an oil rig, is a large structure used to house workers and machinery needed to drill wells in the ocean bed, extract oil and/or natural gas, process the produced fluids, and ship or pipe them to shore."

I never said rotary rig. I said "rigs" and that covers all.
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Your definition describes a drilling rig. Newsflash: all drilling rigs are, "rotary", rigs. They don't hammer drill pipe in the ground anymore.

By your definition of what a, "rig", is, there are only 60 rigs operating in the GOM and only 3,200 operating world wide.
 
apdst said:
Your definition describes a drilling rig. Newsflash: all drilling rigs are, "rotary", rigs. They don't hammer drill pipe in the ground anymore.

By your definition of what a, "rig", is, there are only 60 rigs operating in the GOM and only 3,200 operating world wide.
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Oil platforms are also referred to as rigs. Look it up.

def oil rig
noun [countable] British English pronunciation: oil rig
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singular oil rig
plural oil rigs

1.
an oil platform and all the machines and equipment used on it
 
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USA-1 said:
Oil platforms are also referred to as rigs. Look it up.
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Not in the industry it isn't. You can source whichever non-industry definition you want and you're still going to be wrong.

This is your comment:

We have been drilling our own oil for the last hundred years. There are over a thousand rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. US oil companies have cut back drilling since demand has dropped.
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You claimed that there are thousands of drilling rigs operating in the GOM and that's simply not true.
 
Drilling rig
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Production platform

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Big difference, wouldn't you say?
 
apdst said:
Not in the industry it isn't. You can source whichever non-industry definition you want and you're still going to be wrong.

This is your comment:



You claimed that there are thousands of drilling rigs operating in the GOM and that's simply not true.
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I said there are thousands of rigs in the Gulf and that is absolutely true. Platforms are rigs by everyone's definition. The term "rig" covers it all.
I never said drilling rig.
You have been proven wrong. Be a man and admit it.

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Oil:platform.html
 
USA-1 said:
I said there are thousands of rigs in the Gulf and that is absolutely true. Platforms are rigs by everyone's definition. The term "rig" covers it all.
I never said drilling rig.
You have been proven wrong. Be a man and admit it.

Oil Platform Platforms Structure Production Rig Floating Gas
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Our conversation started out talking about drilling rigs. Not every single structure that happens to be owned by an oil company that exists in the gulf.

You said that there are thousands of rigs, meaning drilling rigs, operating in the gulf and you're dead wrong. It doesn't matter how many times your post the same information from different sources, you're still wrong.

The fact is, drilling rigs employ hundreds of people. Production platforms employ 5. Let's open drilling and put people to work. That would be a good thing, right?
 
USA-1 said:
I said there are thousands of rigs in the Gulf and that is absolutely true. Platforms are rigs by everyone's definition. The term "rig" covers it all.
I never said drilling rig.
You have been proven wrong. Be a man and admit it.

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Not so fast....If I have this right you said....


USA-1 said:
We have been drilling our own oil for the last hundred years. There are over a thousand rigs in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Now you want to come back after it has been pointed out that not all of the "rigs" are used for drilling, and say well they're all the same? Nah, that doesn't work.....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Now you want to come back after it has been pointed out that not all of the "rigs" are used for drilling, and say well they're all the same? Nah, that doesn't work.....


j-mac
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It was two different sentences. We have been drilling our oil for over a century and all the rigs in the Gulf prove it. Understand?

Rigs mean platforms too.
 
apdst said:
Our conversation started out talking about drilling rigs. Not every single structure that happens to be owned by an oil company that exists in the gulf.

You said that there are thousands of rigs, meaning drilling rigs, operating in the gulf and you're dead wrong. It doesn't matter how many times your post the same information from different sources, you're still wrong.

The fact is, drilling rigs employ hundreds of people. Production platforms employ 5. Let's open drilling and put people to work. That would be a good thing, right?
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Drilling is open. There are millions of square miles that can be drilled. The problem is drilling has been cut back by oil companies since demand has dropped.

I was making the point that we have been drilling for the last hundred years and all the "rigs" in the gulf prove it.
 
Kandahar said:
What's your point? Just because motorcycles and uber-enormous trucks might not be the best fit for electricity doesn't make the technology worthless for everything that ISN'T in those niches.
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Electric cars aren't any good, either.

Electricity isn't the best means of propulsion, period.
 
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