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Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

jamesrage said:
You do not find it strange for someone to be calling a man a butcher, baby killer or baby serial killer while at the same time wanting his killer to face the death penalty?
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While I do applaud your consistency on this, I do not find it strange at all. Some people are not willing to use violence regardless of how much they oppose some ideas. One of the many examples I could bring up would be Martin Luther King Jr. He lived in a time where little girls were being burned in churches, young blacks were lynched right and left and yet he advocated a solution that was non violent. I personally do not agree with King's approach of COMPLETE nonviolence but I prefer it to savagery. I do understand your position though. Entirely. I just don't think many people advocate being violent to achieve goals. Only the most extremist.
 
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jamesrage said:
If you are anti-abortion because you view the "fetus" as a unborn human child/baby then why one earth would you want the death of the man who killed that "butcher". For some reason I do not believe that you really believe Tiller to be the butcher you claim he is. If Tiller's victims were adults I do not think you would be wanting the death of his killer,I think you would be calling Tiller's killer a hero.




How?Because people who think of a unborn baby as nothing more than a toenail somehow think pro-lifers are crazy?
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Its called the law and public opinion........Right now we on the right the pro lifers are gaining on this issue......By killing Tiller you turn public opinion against us...........We may have the votes to overturn Roe V Wade now but if we can get one more justice on the SCOTUS we can overurn that vile law.....

Finally you can't become a vigilante and take the law into your own hands...............
 
Navy Pride said:
Its called the law and public opinion.
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Again you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster. You should be glad someone stopped him, not wishing the baby killing monster's killer to get the death penalty. Its like wanting the hero to be shot.


Finally you can't become a vigilante and take the law into your own hands...............
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I would think that if you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster you wouldn't care how he was stopped regardless if the law turns a blind eye to Tiller's misdeeds.
 
jamesrage said:
Again you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster. You should be glad someone stopped him, not wishing the baby killing monster's killer to get the death penalty. Its like wanting the hero to be shot.

I would think that if you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster you wouldn't care how he was stopped regardless if the law turns a blind eye to Tiller's misdeeds.
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Navy doesn't believe he is a hero and instead is dangerous to the "cause". You do believe he is a hero and should be commended for his efforts. Who is right?
 
jamesrage said:
Again you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster. You should be glad someone stopped him, not wishing the baby killing monster's killer to get the death penalty. Its like wanting the hero to be shot.




I would think that if you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster you wouldn't care how he was stopped regardless if the law turns a blind eye to Tiller's misdeeds.
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Damn I hate to be on Hatuey's side....
 
jamesrage said:
Again you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster. You should be glad someone stopped him, not wishing the baby killing monster's killer to get the death penalty. Its like wanting the hero to be shot.




I would think that if you believe Tiller to be a baby killing monster you wouldn't care how he was stopped regardless if the law turns a blind eye to Tiller's misdeeds.
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I believe Tiller is the scum of the earth but we live by law and we have to abide by it........This guy that killed him probably set our movement back 20 years........They are both muderers in my eyes.....
 
Navy Pride said:
Damn I hate to be on Hatuey's side....
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If it makes you feel better I'm not cheering for you. I found it icky too. Like we shared a bed on a ship or something. I won't tell if you don't ask.
 
Hatuey said:
If it makes you feel better I'm not cheering for you. I found it icky too. Like we shared a bed on a ship or something. I won't tell if you don't ask.
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Please don't ever be on my side against..........its like 26 champs being on my side........I couldn't stand it........thanks.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Please don't ever be on my side against..........its like 26 champs being on my side........I couldn't stand it........thanks.........
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I was here first though.
 
Navy Pride said:
Its called the law and public opinion........Right now we on the right the pro lifers are gaining on this issue......By killing Tiller you turn public opinion against us...........We may have the votes to overturn Roe V Wade now but if we can get one more justice on the SCOTUS we can overurn that vile law.....

Finally you can't become a vigilante and take the law into your own hands...............
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Once again, we agree on something. You know, this is getting habit forming. LOL.

Here's a beer, on me.
 
Navy Pride said:
Damn I hate to be on Hatuey's side....
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You mean the same person who thinks what Tiller did was nothing more than a simple medical operation and nothing more,so therefore thinks Scott Roeder is a nutjob for killing a man who simply performed operations? I think his motives for condemning Scott Roeder are a little different than yours.

I believe Tiller is the scum of the earth but we live by law and we have to abide by it..
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Again if you really believed that Tiller was a baby killing monster then you should be glad that he was taken out regardless of the method used to take him out and applauding the man who stopped the monster. Not sitting there jumping on the abortionist bandwagon trying to score cool points with people who use the term "fetus" to dehumanize and justify killing a baby.

If a man stopped someone from killing someone else on the street or who was trying to rape a woman you would call the man a hero for stopping that scumbag. You wouldn't be sitting there saying oh that individual shouldn't have taken the law into his own hands,hes a murderer,he should have waited until the police did something,I hope he gets the death penalty I would volunteer to pull to the switch". But Scott Roeder who has killed a baby killing monster and therefore prevented that baby killing monster from killing more and you want to condemn him and hop on the abortionist band wagon like somehow kissing their asses will not make them think you are nuts for thinking a fetus is a human being/baby.


......This guy that killed him probably set our movement back 20 years.
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Do you honestly believe that abortionist are sitting at home thinking "man I was going to be pro-life, but seeing Scott Roeder shoot that late term abortionist just made me change my mind."? A scientist could come out tomorrow and say that fetus has consciences thought as 12 weeks after conception or that a "fetus" at any stage of development can be simply transferred to another womb or cold storage to be transplanted later at a later date and abortionist would still support abortion.



.......They are both muderers in my eyes.....
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If What Tiller was doing was legal then how can he be a murderer in your eyes? Murder is simply nothing more than a legal term. If some how you view what Tiller the Baby killer did no different than someone locked up on death row has done. Then that means you should view every life that Tiller the baby killer has taken no different than the life or lives someone on death row has taken.So Tiller in your eyes should be seen as nothing more than a serial killer who had to be stopped by any means necessary unless you don't really see Tiller's victims the same as any other innocent person on the street. Since you use the term murderer to describe both Tiller and Roeder then Tiller should be nothing more than a mass murderer or serial murderer and therefore not innocent himself.But since the law does not in shape or form care about Tiller's victims you should be cheering the person who threw away his freedom to take out that baby killing monster.
 
jamesrage said:
Again if you really believed that Tiller was a baby killing monster then you should be glad that he was taken out regardless of the method used to take him out and applauding the man who stopped the monster.

If a man stopped someone from killing someone else on the street or who was trying to rape a woman you would call the man a hero for stopping that scumbag. You wouldn't be sitting there saying oh that individual shouldn't have taken the law into his own hands,hes a murderer,he should have waited until the police did something,I hope he gets the death penalty I would volunteer to pull to the switch".
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Holy crap. I agree with you.

I need a drink.
 
jamesrage said:
Again if you really believed that Tiller was a baby killing monster then you should be glad that he was taken out regardless of the method used to take him out and applauding the man who stopped the monster. Not sitting there jumping on the abortionist bandwagon trying to score cool points with people who use the term "fetus" to dehumanize and justify killing a baby.
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Wrong. The method is important. We as a society cannot allow people to take the law into their own hands, not ever.

If a man stopped someone from killing someone else on the street or who was trying to rape a woman you would call the man a hero for stopping that scumbag. You wouldn't be sitting there saying oh that individual shouldn't have taken the law into his own hands,hes a murderer,he should have waited until the police did something,I hope he gets the death penalty I would volunteer to pull to the switch".
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Your scenario is nothing like this situation though. It would be more like you thought you knew a rapist who was loose, and hunted him down and killed him without notifying the authorities. Tiller was in church for gods sake, he was not harming any one at all. If you go into a church and shoot an usher because he had commited a rape, and might again the next day, then yes, you are a scumbag.
 
Redress said:
Wrong. The method is important. We as a society cannot allow people to take the law into their own hands, not ever.
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That is incorrect. Our laws allow for just such a thing. Every person in the US has the right to defend themselves against bodily harm. We even have the right to defend others. Now on many occasions when people defend themselves the legitimacy of their defense must be decided by a jury of their peers, but still the right exists.
 
Winnb said:
That is incorrect. Our laws allow for just such a thing. Every person in the US has the right to defend themselves against bodily harm. We even have the right to defend others. Now on many occasions when people defend themselves the legitimacy of their defense must be decided by a jury of their peers, but still the right exists.
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Within the framework of the law. Hunting some one down is illegal, shooting some one breaking into your house is not.
 
Navy Pride said:
I believe Tiller is the scum of the earth but we live by law and we have to abide by it........This guy that killed him probably set our movement back 20 years........They are both muderers in my eyes.....
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Spot on Navy.
 
Redress said:
Wrong. The method is important.
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In this scenario is not important because the authorities turn a blind eye to what Tiller the baby killer was doing. IF the authrorities did not turn a blind eye to what Tiller was doing then Tiller would be rotting in prison for the rest of his life.

We as a society cannot allow people to take the law into their own hands, not ever.
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So your saying you would call the cops of the passerby who stopped an attempted murderer or an attempted rapist?

Your scenario is nothing like this situation though. It would be more like you thought you knew a rapist who was loose, and hunted him down and killed him without notifying the authorities.
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You can notify authorities if you see suspected rapist,murderer or some other criminal hanging out somewhere and the authorities will come arrest that suspect.Some guy who makes his living killing babies the authorities could care less.

Tiller was in church for gods sake,
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The fact a baby killing monster was allowed into a church seems to look more bad on the church for allowing such a monster to walk through their doors.

he was not harming any one at all.
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Not right there in the church he wasn't but 9-5 (or what ever his work schedule is)weekdays is a different story.

If you go into a church and shoot an usher because he had commited a rape, and might again the next day, then yes, you are a scumbag.
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So if Scott Roeder was standing next to Tiller in the abortion clinic office right as Tiller was about to kill another baby you would have been cool with Roeder shooting him there?
 
jamesrage said:
In this scenario is not important because the authorities turn a blind eye to what Tiller the baby killer was doing. IF the authrorities did not turn a blind eye to what Tiller was doing then Tiller would be rotting in prison for the rest of his life.
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No one turned a "blind eye" to anything Tiller was doing. You just can't handle the fact that Tiller was working within the boundaries of the law.

So your saying you would call the cops of the passerby who stopped an attempted murderer or an attempted rapist?
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Not even comparable. The attempted murderer or rapist is breaking the law. Tiller was not.

You can notify authorities if you see suspected rapist,murderer or some other criminal hanging out somewhere and the authorities will come arrest that suspect.Some guy who makes his living killing babies the authorities could care less.
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The authorites had no grounds to arrest Tiller as he was acting within the boundaries of the law.

The fact a baby killing monster was allowed into a church seems to look more bad on the church for allowing such a monster to walk through their doors.
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That's awful funny considering Christ ministered to sinners first.

Not right there in the church he wasn't but 9-5 (or what ever his work schedule is)weekdays is a different story.



So if Scott Roeder was standing next to Tiller in the abortion clinic office right as Tiller was about to kill another baby you would have been cool with Roeder shooting him there?
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No. Tiller was acting within the boundaries of the law. All your hysterical ranting about killing babies is nothing more than hyper-emotional caterwauling on your part to try to extort your audience into feeling some kind of sympathy for Roeder.
 
Roeder doesn't ask for, nor does he garner "sympathy".....What should be at question is the SC ruling that makes this lawful in the first place.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Roeder doesn't ask for, nor does he garner "sympathy".....What should be at question is the SC ruling that makes this lawful in the first place.


j-mac
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Absolutely. And there are avenues for addressing those questions.

Shooting a doctor in his church for practicing within the boundaries of the law is not acceptable.
 
j-mac said:
Roeder doesn't ask for, nor does he garner "sympathy".....What should be at question is the SC ruling that makes this lawful in the first place.


j-mac
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I wondeer if Roeder was facing the death penalty would he feel the same way.........
 
jallman said:
Absolutely. And there are avenues for addressing those questions.

Shooting a doctor in his church for practicing within the boundaries of the law is not acceptable.
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what you say is true but aborting a baby in the 3rd trimeister is outrageous...a defenseless, helpless baby that is viable on its own outside the womb.....Its hard for me to think of anything worse....
 
Hatuey said:
While I do applaud your consistency on this, I do not find it strange at all. Some people are not willing to use violence regardless of how much they oppose some ideas. One of the many examples I could bring up would be Martin Luther King Jr. He lived in a time where little girls were being burned in churches, young blacks were lynched right and left and yet he advocated a solution that was non violent. I personally do not agree with King's approach of COMPLETE nonviolence but I prefer it to savagery. I do understand your position though. Entirely. I just don't think many people advocate being violent to achieve goals. Only the most extremist.
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Martin Luther King Jr. owes his ability to learn to read and freedom to speak to black men and women who took up the rifle and committed violence to give him those freedoms.

You make Martin Luther King Jr. look like a hypocrite.
 
Navy Pride said:
what you say is true but aborting a baby in the 3rd trimeister is outrageous...a defenseless, helpless baby that is viable on its own outside the womb.....Its hard for me to think of anything worse....
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I absolutely agree, but we can't have vigilante justice. We must work to change things through legal process.


j-mac
 
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