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Verdict reached in Kan. abortion slaying trial

SgtRock said:
This guy deserves capital punishment. What he did was abhorrent even if he did murder a evil SOB who performed late term abortions.
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Do you believe late term abortions are the same as murder?
 
jamesrage said:
I wished that he would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist seeing how the man put a stop to a baby serial killing monster. Maybe he will get a lawyer one to try to overturn his conviction.
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We've already been over this james. He wasn't a serial killer and your hyperbole just makes you look ridiculous.
 
Winnb said:
Then why was it not okay for Roeder to kill him?
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Thou shall not kill. Roeder commited murder. Murder is not okay. Roeder knows that god would judge Dr Tiller. Roeder is a murderer and will pay for his crime as he should.
 
SgtRock said:
Thou shall not kill. Roeder commited murder. Murder is not okay. Roeder knows that god would judge Dr Tiller. Roeder is a murderer and will pay for his crime as he should.
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So you would NOT kill someone if they were killing babies? Okay. That's fine.
 
Winnb said:
So you would NOT kill someone if they were killing babies? Okay. That's fine.
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I would notify the authorities. I see what you're getting at. Abortion (killing babies) is legal in the US. Dr Tiller was within the law to perform abortions. Roeder was outside of the law when killing Tiller. It is up to god to judge Dr Tiller. Personally I belive abortion is murder. The SCOTUS has imo decided that murdering babies is legal. Those justices who ruled on Roe vs Wade on January 22, 1973 have also been judged by god.
 
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Winnb said:
So you would NOT kill someone if they were killing babies? Okay. That's fine.
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Vigilantism is illegal in this country. We have laws for a reason. If you don't like the laws, and cannot accept the results of the justice system, murder is not an acceptable alternative.
 
Redress said:
Vigilantism is illegal in this country. We have laws for a reason. If you don't like the laws, and cannot accept the results of the justice system, murder is not an acceptable alternative.
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I completely agree. But we also have a law that allows a person to use deadly force if they feel their life or someone else's life is in danger. It is a perfectly legitimate legal defense.

My only point in this thread is that Roeder killed an abortion doctor because he believed the doctor was murdering babies. Many people in the pro-life movement label abortion doctors as "baby killers" and "murderers". If those pro-lifers truly believe that then why aren't they trying to stop abortion doctors by the use of force?
 
SgtRock said:
I would notify the authorities. I see what you're getting at.
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That's a key false premise of this topic. In fact the legality of many of those abortions are still in question.

The only thing I regret about Dr.Tiller's death is that those spicific abortions might not be questioned any longer.
 
Redress said:
Vigilantism is illegal in this country. We have laws for a reason. If you don't like the laws, and cannot accept the results of the justice system, murder is not an acceptable alternative.
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It is if you're willing to accept the consequences.

Emos who take wire hangers to themselves where abortion is illegal have weighed the risks and consequences for each and made their choice.

Mr. Roeder made a choice, and accepts the consequences.
 
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Winnb said:
I completely agree. But we also have a law that allows a person to use deadly force if they feel their life or someone else's life is in danger. It is a perfectly legitimate legal defense.

My only point in this thread is that Roeder killed an abortion doctor because he believed the doctor was murdering babies. Many people in the pro-life movement label abortion doctors as "baby killers" and "murderers". If those pro-lifers truly believe that then why aren't they trying to stop abortion doctors by the use of force?
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Only a rare few of us are willing to accept the personal consequences for doing so.

Using myself as an example, the subject of abortion is little more than a fun topic to debate. Other than discussing abortion online, I'm not active on any level.

Well ok I write a representative now and then....
 
Winnb said:
I completely agree. But we also have a law that allows a person to use deadly force if they feel their life or someone else's life is in danger. It is a perfectly legitimate legal defense.

My only point in this thread is that Roeder killed an abortion doctor because he believed the doctor was murdering babies. Many people in the pro-life movement label abortion doctors as "baby killers" and "murderers". If those pro-lifers truly believe that then why aren't they trying to stop abortion doctors by the use of force?
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If I fear you might kill me, I am not justified in hunting you down and shooting you.
 
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Jerry said:
I agree, on the board someone earns a cussing out, while in real life a shady doctor skirts the law to kill very lat term children.

As I've said many times before, I'm glad Dr. Tiller is dead. He was a monster and the world is better off without him.

I am the person who thanked the offending post of the forum member who received points for cussing someone out.
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Look, all board politics aside...this is kinda sick to consider in terms of the gravity of the situation being discussed.
 
jamesrage said:
Anyone who considers themselves anti-abortion because they view the unborn no different than someone outside the womb should view Scott Roeder as a man who killed a evil sick sadistic child killer.
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And you totally revoke credibility in the idea that you respect a right to life. Just sayin'.
 
molten_dragon said:
How true this is.

Radical Muslims killing people for their religious beliefs? TERRORIST!!!!

Radical Christian killing someone for his religious beliefs? Hero.
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That was a nasty and inhumane attempt at relating two completely different issues and you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting such a blatantly opportunistic play.
 
Redress said:
Hey folks, I want to make one point quickly. While Roeder might have had a religious motivation, he is not representative of most christians, not even the most fundamental of them. Let's please not turn this into an excuse to bash christians or their beliefs.
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Thank you. Thank you a hundred times for saying this.
 
jallman said:
That was a nasty and inhumane attempt at relating two completely different issues and you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting such a blatantly opportunistic play.
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Please explain more how the two issues are unrelated, and how it was opportunistic. Exactly what agenda do you think I'm trying to put forward.

All I'm doing is pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people who call Muslim extremists terrorists, but are willing to call this Christian extremist a hero for what he did.
 
molten_dragon said:
Please explain more how the two issues are unrelated, and how it was opportunistic. Exactly what agenda do you think I'm trying to put forward.

All I'm doing is pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of people who call Muslim extremists terrorists, but are willing to call this Christian extremist a hero for what he did.
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While I agree Roeder is an extreamist and what he did was wrong there is a difference. Roeder killed a Docter who kills babies because he wanted to stop Tiller from killing babies. Muslim extreamist kill innocent men women and babies indiscriminately because they are evil. Dr Tiller was closer to a muslim extreamist than Scott Roeder is.
 
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SgtRock said:
While I agree Roeder is an extreamist and what he did was wrong there is a difference. Roeder killed a Docter who kills babies because he wanted to stop Tiller from killing babies. Muslim extreamist kill innocent men women and babies indiscriminately because they are evil. Dr Tiller was closer to a muslim extreamist than Scott Roeder is.
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You equivocate your position.
 
SgtRock said:
While I agree Roeder is an extreamist and what he did was wrong there is a difference. Roeder killed a Docter who kills babies because he wanted to stop Tiller from killing babies. Muslim extreamist kill innocent men women and babies indiscriminately because they are evil. Dr Tiller was closer to a muslim extreamist than Scott Roeder is.
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In the eyes of what you call the Muslim "extremists", the people they killed were not innocent.

In the eyes of many people Doctor Tiller was innocent of any crime.

Seems like everything is based upon one's perspective doesn't it?
 
jallman said:
Look, all board politics aside...this is kinda sick to consider in terms of the gravity of the situation being discussed.
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What's sick is skirting the law to perform very late term abortions, not discussing a murder on a forum.

My boss recently fired 2 guys who turned out to be registered sex offenders. Neither one of them were legally required to tell their employer any more, but the boss lady didn't want folks like that around.

Since she didn't have "good cause" to terminate them, she knew that she would have to accept paying them workman's comp if she terminated them.

She chose to pay the workman's comp and send them packing. She knew the consequences of her decision when she made it, and she doesn't cry about the additional over head.

Scott Roeder does not appear to be a psychopathic loon acting impulsively. In fact everything about this story leads me to believe this is an issue he thought long and hard about. The court would seem to agree with this in it's conviction, that he knew what he was doing well in advance.

He weighed his options and accepted the consequences of his choice. The left likes choice, right? Well, he made his.

If you don't like abortion doctors being assassinated, don't kill one. I don't because I don't want the personal consequences. Apparently folks like Scott Roeder are willing to take those consequences.

Also, if you don't want people gunning you down in church, don't skirt the law to perform very late term abortion. I hope every other late term abortion doctor takes this incident as a sign to stay well within the law.
 
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Winnb said:
In the eyes of what you call the Muslim "extremists", the people they killed were not innocent.

In the eyes of many people Doctor Tiller was innocent of any crime.

Seems like everything is based upon one's perspective doesn't it?
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Really, please explain how random people shopping in a market in Baghdad who died when a muslim extremist detonates a bomb are not innocent?

I can explain how Dr Tiller was not innocent because as a child I was taught the difference between right and wrong something many pro choice (pro abortion) supporters seem to struggle with.

A persons perspective is not always correct is it?
 
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SgtRock said:
Really, please explain how random people shopping in a market in Baghdad who died when a muslim extremist detonates a bomb are not innocent?
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Perspective. Those people were probably American sympathizers. They may have even cooperated with American soldiers. Therefore they've become aligned with the "Great Satan" or whatever nonsense they call us. From the perspective of the Muslim extremists those people were sinners and deserved to die.


I can explain how Dr Tiller was not innocent because as a child I was taught the difference between right and wrong something many pro choice (pro abortion) supporters seem to struggle with.

A persons perspective is not always correct is it?
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A person's perspective is always correct. For them. You and I may disagree with it, but they don't care if we disagree. In their mind they're always right.

I'm sure you've seen about 10,000 examples of that right here on this forum.

IMO Doctor Tiller is a perfect example of what we're discussing. Some people considered him a baby killer. Many others believed he provided a necessary and perfectly legal medical procedure. That's a HUGE difference in perspective.
 
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