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Obama to End NASA Constellation Program

Velcro.

Freeze Dried Ice Cream.

And here is a big compiled list that will boggle the minds of those ignorant of what Space Exploration has given Man.
 
It's common knowledge that the Iraq War was the prime cause of Bush's massive increase of debt/deficit.

:roll:

A lot of things are "common knowledge" which also happen to be wrong.


It might not have been military spending per se, but it was the cost of the war. The US government was posting surpluses in the Clinton era, I believe.

On paper, but the debt still grew even the years where a "surplus" was posted.


It's not like Bush expanded social programs or anything.

:shock:

You really need to go take a look at that again.


United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I admit that Obama is making the debt worse, but Bush dug the initial hole.

Bush dug a hole (and one which was shallowing out every year until this recession). Obama is using a steam shovel.

Look, I pointed it out in another thread -- you can take the entire cost of both the Iraq and Afghanistan operations -- total, from 2001 until today -- and take it away from Obama's deficit, and STILL have a deficit on par with Bush's highest.

The 18 billion NASA uses is pocket change.

Not that it even matters here, because Obama is not cutting NASA's budget. He's increasing it.
 
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Velcro.

Freeze Dried Ice Cream.

And here is a big compiled list that will boggle the minds of those ignorant of what Space Exploration has given Man.
Velcro and freeze dried ice cream. Wup de doo. :2razz:
 
Velcro and freeze dried ice cream. Wup de doo. :2razz:

Click the link son. There is so much in there that it will make your jaw drop.

I put those two for smiles, nothing more.

How about GPS?

Or SatCom's?
 
Well, in his defense, there's no link.
 
Bush dug a hole (and one which was shallowing out every year until this recession). Obama is using a steam shovel.

*shrug*Yeah, but I don't see any prominent American politicians out there with the courage for meaningful fiscal conservatism. Nobody wants to raise taxes, or make drastic cuts, they're too afraid.
 
NASA's budget wasn't cut, it was increased and redirected. The climate change bit is only one part. Earth sciences cover a huge amount of territory, and that won't curb NASA's abilities. There are plenty of terrestrial challenges to be overcome. We've only explored something like 10% of our oceans, for example, and conditions in the deep ocean are comparable to the needs of outer space, so technology development can still progress with new inventions. Frankly, I would rather see us continue to explore our own world before we become gung ho about outer space.

The fact is, we're in a recession, and putting someone on the moon again is not realistic right now. It would just be another stunt to boost nationalism. The reality of convenient and efficient space flight is within a century away, if not more.

Let the open market take up the challenge. Companies have a status quo and they will make the most versatile models for space flight. The government is just going to keep squandering money on research programs based on the whims of individual administrations. Letting the private sector takeover will give it more focus.

You're a Canadian and don't have a dog in this fight, so you might as well be ignored. :)

Canada is the leader in space robotics. The international space station wouldn't exist without its contributions. So yeah, Canada's say is relevant in our cooperative efforts.
 
NASA's budget wasn't cut, it was increased and redirected. The climate change bit is only one part. Earth sciences cover a huge amount of territory, and that won't curb NASA's abilities.

Right, but a manned Moon mission would probably have been a lot more expensive than NASAs current budget.
 
Why don't they invent a giant vacuum cleaner and suck the global warming into outer space. :roll:

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Stop the trolling.
 
Right, but a manned Moon mission would probably have been a lot more expensive than NASAs current budget.

I know, which is why the redirecting of the money was a smart move. I just don't have a lot of faith in it though. In 4-8 years when the next administration comes to power, it could just as easily restart plans for a manned mission to the moon. I mean really, what is the point of going to the moon right now when we can send any number of robots there to do the task?

Yeah, I understand that it would be a symbol of America, etc etc... but that was done in the 60's and that was a different time, and there was more at stake between Russia and the U.S. then. The rivalries now are mostly economic and resource driven. The moon will not be a practical solution to that.
 
I know, which is why the redirecting of the money was a smart move. I just don't have a lot of faith in it though. In 4-8 years when the next administration comes to power, it could just as easily restart plans for a manned mission to the moon. I mean really, what is the point of going to the moon right now when we can send any number of robots there to do the task?

Yeah, I understand that it would be a symbol of America, etc etc... but that was done in the 60's and that was a different time, and there was more at stake between Russia and the U.S. then. The rivalries now are mostly economic and resource driven. The moon will not be a practical solution to that.

Agreed, too many Americans seem to want to throw money around at symbolic ****, rather than looking to more immediately practical matters.
 
Agreed, too many Americans seem to want to throw money around at symbolic ****, rather than looking to more immediately practical matters.

There are benefits to such endevours as going back to the moon. However, people like yourself, prefer to waste money on poverty ensurement schemes like welfare, UHC and other non-sense.
 
Right, but a manned Moon mission would probably have been a lot more expensive than NASAs current budget.

Nope. The costs were already planned. This was not a cost-cutting move in any way.

And we got to the Moon the first time for MUCH less.
 
Agreed, too many Americans seem to want to throw money around at symbolic ****, rather than looking to more immediately practical matters.

It's hardly only symbolic, though the symbolism is important, too. The advancements in technology are legion, as already discussed.
 
"What is right" is debatable, that's why America isn't a one-party state.

But it is presently a one party state... they are called the democrats and they are presently in power... actually most of them have been in power for 3 years... but they are totally exempt from blame from any of the problems that we now face.
 
This is kinda sad.

My goal has always been to get a job at NASA. If it becomes just one more climate research facility, then I'm going to have to find another goal.
 
Didn't Obama say something along the lines of "putting science back in its rightful place"? So to him that means making our space organization another lie spouting climate research facility? So I guess all of America must suffer the loss of being a space-fairing nation so we can bring just a little peace of mind to the AGW religion and the lie behind it... Way to go Barry O.
 
But it is presently a one party state... they are called the democrats and they are presently in power... actually most of them have been in power for 3 years... but they are totally exempt from blame from any of the problems that we now face.

Yeh, it's totally a one-party state. That's why Obama couldn't get his ideal health care program passed! :roll:
 
It's hardly only symbolic, though the symbolism is important, too. The advancements in technology are legion, as already discussed.

Maybe, but there's no guarantee that there will be useful technological spin-offs from this particular mission. It's not like "Ok guys, on this mission we're going to get X number of civilian spin-offs and other advancements." Sure they probably would make advancements in the space flight/moon landing programs because the Shuttles are on their last legs so they'd probably have to design new ships, but aside from that...
 
Yeh, it's totally a one-party state. That's why Obama couldn't get his ideal health care program passed! :roll:

the democrats held a filibuster-proof majority prior to the election of brown in mass.

The republicans had nothing to do with the stagnation of healthcare. :2wave:
 
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I think this is a sensible move given the circumstances. The US has more important things to worry about right now than space programs. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for space research and everything, but its a luxury for when you have lots of money, not when you're trying to reign in spending!

The "luxuries" the Messiah wrongly insists on perpetuation are the socialist money wasting ponzi schemes that are bankrupting the nation.

If the Messiah wanted to save money, how about if he cancelled the "Stimulus Porkulus" package He insisted on but which hasn't worked?
 
the democrats held a filibuster-proof majority prior to the election of brown in mass.

The republicans had nothing to do with the stagnation of healthcare. :2wave:

Well they put the pressure on, and it was more the Blue Dog Democrats that were the problem.
 
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He's not cutting NASA's budget at all. In fact, it's being increased.

I guess there's no reading with "you" people.

What?.......... cut the budget on research of the Global Warming fraud?

Then how else would he go about destroying our economy faster than he is now?… it’s essential that he up the budget as much as possible, he only has 3 more years.... times a wastin'!!!
 
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