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Folks, this is not about Navy Pride. Please do not turn it into that. He served his country, that is a worthy and honorable thing to do. He is wrong on this issue, but don't go after his service.

As long as he doesn't use his service experience to back up his claims, I completely agree.
 
Folks, this is not about Navy Pride. Please do not turn it into that. He served his country, that is a worthy and honorable thing to do. He is wrong on this issue, but don't go after his service.

Thank you I think:confused: for the first part but how can you say I am wrong on the issue.......R U and authority on it.......Sorry but you were on 1 ship a floating city with all the comforts of home.....With all respect you have no clue what its like on those destroyers that are in your screen and you can barely see them when your on the flight deck .......you were attached to and air wing that joined with the ship on deployment and left it on return............I am not saying there is no problem with lesbians aboard ship but it is not frowned upon like gay men.........In fact a lot of men think its a joke and get a kick out of it...In fact we used to watch Lesbian movies in the Chiefs Quarters..........I don't say that is right but that is the way it is........
 
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As long as he doesn't use his service experience to back up his claims, I completely agree.

You can counter his experiences by pointing out that anecdotal evidence is worthless. No need to get into his service.
 
Hey Navy,

Are you going to ignore this forever?

How are these 2 situations NOT similar:

1) Sailor Sam has to cover for Sailor Sally because she is pregnant.

2) Sailors Sam, Sally, Steve, Scott and Seth have to go on a mission designed for 6, with only 5, because the Navy kicked sailor Samantha out for being gay. There is no immediate replacement with Samantha's level of training and experience. Oh yeah, sailor Samantha was the squad leader.


Do you think kicking trained, experienced men and women out of the service has a negative impact on those left behind?
 
As long as he doesn't use his service experience to back up his claims, I completely agree.

But I do use my service experience to back up what its like.....Otherwise I would not know like you.....You have no clue because you haven't experienced it...........Everyone should serve and spend 90 days at sea on a navy destroyer, then I would have more respect for their opinion..........Bring the draft back............
 
Thank you I think:confused: for the first part but how can you say I am wrong on the issue.......R U and authority on it.......Sorry but you were on 1 ship a floating city with all the comforts of home.....With all respect you have no clue what its like on those destroyers that are in your screen and you can barely see them when your on the flight deck .......you were attached to and air wing that joined with the ship on deployment and left it on return............I am not saying there is no problem with lesbians aboard ship but it is not frowned upon like gay men.........In fact a lot of men think its a joke and get a kick out of it...In fact we used to watch Lesbian movies in the Chiefs Quarters..........I don't say that is right but that is the way it is........

Ah, we used to love people like you. We could have them searching for hours for the bowling alley. Sorry Navy, but a carrier's space is mostly taken up by things related to either storage for supplies needed by 6k people, or by stuff for aircraft. I still slept in a coffin rack, still had no space, our shop was 10 x 8 feet, with the overhead sloped so you could only stand in half of it. The only thing all that size did for us is make getting from one end of the ship to the other take longer.
 
But I do use my service experience to back up what its like.....

Correction: What it WAS like. You haven't seen active duty for two or three decades, isn't that right?
 
Hey Navy,

Are you going to ignore this forever?

How are these 2 situations NOT similar:

1) Sailor Sam has to cover for Sailor Sally because she is pregnant.

2) Sailors Sam, Sally, Steve, Scott and Seth have to go on a mission designed for 6, with only 5, because the Navy kicked sailor Samantha out for being gay. There is no immediate replacement with Samantha's level of training and experience. Oh yeah, sailor Samantha was the squad leader.


Do you think kicking trained, experienced men and women out of the service has a negative impact on those left behind?

If sailor samantha broke the law then he should be gone.......I don't care if he is the captain of the ship and oh by the way I have seen a case where the Commanding officer of a ship was relieved for fraternizing with sailors in his crew..........They were discharged to..........

You see the military is operated by a set of laws......Its called the UCMJ......Violated them and your
punished.................

I really don't like the comparisons between gays and a female pregnancy though...........

Glad you back by the way..........Missed ya........:lol:
 
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If sailor samantha broke the law then he should be gone.......I don't care if he is the captain of the ship and oh by the way I have seen a case where the Commanding officer of a ship was relieved for fraternizing with sailors in his crew..........They were ischarged to..........

You see the military is operated by a set of laws......Its called the UCMJ......Violated them and your p unished.................

Glad you back by the way..........Missed ya........:lol:

You're hiding behind it being "against the law". Why are you dancing around this? Do you think kicking sailor Samantha out has a negative effect on those sailors she leaves behind? Or not?

Does that mean that when they repeal that law that you would support it?

I really don't like the comparisons between gays and a female pregnancy though...........

Why? Both leave holes in the readiness, don't they?
 
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Correction: What it WAS like. You haven't seen active duty for two or three decades, isn't that right?

I am so tired of repeating myself..........Please go back and read the posts before you butt in.........it will help..........
 
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You're hiding behind it being "against the law". Why are you dancing around this? Do you think kicking sailor Samantha out has a negative effect on those sailors she leaves behind? Or not?

Does that mean that when they repeal that law that you would support it?

Why? Both leave holes in the readiness, don't they?


Yes but if you kick someone out for making unwanted advances, its not the same thing..........You take up the slack for the person gone but you hold no malice against the pregnant woman but I can not say the same for the gay guy that made the unwanted advances..........

We would have to see what it is like.....I would predict there would be a lot of problems in the navy and it might erode the very core of the service.......I think there will be a mass exodus of senior officers and chiefs.....I hope I am wrong because I would hate to see that in the Navy I love........I think there will be violence against gays........
 
Well, the Army saw fit to put me into command and is deploying me to war for a third time to lead soldiers in combat. Probably good evidence that I'm not soup.

I think you get so upset because we are both vets and I simply disagree with you on this issue. I'm not getting emotional about it. I'm the one that has to deal with DADT, not you. It's pretty easy to throw beer cans from the peanut gallery. You are not in the military anymore. You don't know these kids coming in the military like I know them. I'm telling you, people are different these days. I really don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. Primarily because any gay Soldiers I have now probably won't come out. And if they do, I'm pretty confident they will be left alone. I will ensure their safety, just like any other Soldier; so in that regard, I am a good leader. I do my best, because I care about these great young Americans...gay or not. It's my job to train them and take care of them. I do that.

No offense, brother, but you're an officer. You don't know your boys as well as you think you do.
 
But I do use my service experience to back up what its like.....Otherwise I would not know like you.....You have no clue because you haven't experienced it...........Everyone should serve and spend 90 days at sea on a navy destroyer, then I would have more respect for their opinion..........Bring the draft back............

I was subject to the draft and served my country, in a non-military role, but served my country none the less. My brother was on an aircraft carrier and my Dad was a tank Commander with the 13 Armored Division(do you know how cozy it was in one the WWII tanks?)

As I understand it, Redress served honorably. As did many others who have a different perspective on gays in the military than yourself. I'm not real sure what your problem is with gays in the military. Wouldn't any type of sexual misconduct result in diciplinary action, regardless of sexual orientation?
 
I am so tired of repeatting myself..........Please go back and read the posts before you butt in.........it will help..........

I've read that you retired in 1977. And that you retired 21 years ago. Oh yeah, you also told us that you retired in 1998. :doh

Thus far, you've refused to give an honest response.

What you have done is continually insist that you - a guy that hasn't served in decades - know everything about life in today's military, while dismissing out of hand the informed comments from people who actually ARE serving today.

Pathetic.
 
Yes but if you kick someone out for making unwanted advances, its not the same thing..........You take up the slack for the person gone but you hold no malice against the pregnant woman but I can not say the same for the gay guy that made the unwanted advances..........

Huh? Where did that come from? Are you assuming that gays have to "make an unwanted advance" on someone to get kicked out?

So, there is slack when someone gets kicked out. How is that good for the service?

We would have to see what it is like.....I would predict there would be a lot of problems in the navy and it might erode the very core of the service.......I think there will be a mass exodus of senior officers and chiefs.....I hope I am wrong because I would hate to see that in the Navy I love........I think there will be violence against gays........

Don't you think your sailor buddies are a little tougher than falling apart, letting the Navy go to hell?

If all service men/women are "ordered" to accept gays and lesbians... won't they obey those orders?

As far as that "mass exodus": It hasn't happened in other countries who made this move. I suspect our military is tougher than all of them and we will lose hardly any.

Thanks for hanging in there Navy.
 
Huh? Where did that come from? Are you assuming that gays have to "make an unwanted advance" on someone to get kicked out?

So, there is slack when someone gets kicked out. How is that good for the service?



Don't you think your sailor buddies are a little tougher than falling apart, letting the Navy go to hell?

If all service men/women are "ordered" to accept gays and lesbians... won't they obey those orders?

As far as that "mass exodus": It hasn't happened in other countries who made this move. I suspect our military is tougher than all of them and we will lose hardly any.

Thanks for hanging in there Navy.

YW, I enjoy the tussle with Libs I could call in reinforcements, there are a lot of good conservatives in DP that feel as I do..

Its not a question of being tougher......it just there are a lot of guys that don't want this distraction and feel this is not what the military is for....For Liberals to use the military for a social experiment is outrageous...There are those that it is a religeous matter and they to don't want to be around gays.......There are those guys from the south who flat just hate gays,,,,,,,I guess you don't have them in the army.......

You put all those things together and you get caous, at least in the navy.......Have you ever been aboard a navy destroyer....You probably have 100 bunks 3 or 4 high about the size of your living room..........you have 100 guys living here dressing and undressing together elbow to elbow......you have a head with 4 toilets 4 showers for this 100 men......its not a condusive situation for gay and straight men to live together....I have already talked to senior POs and chiefs who say they will take early retirement rather then live under these conditions........The conditions are already horrible and to add this other element to it is insane......

I personally think it will never happen.......the liberals in congress do not have the votes now and they are to chicken**** to take the vote now anyway....It is believed that the Republicans will gain seats in the november mid terms so that will make it worse.......

Contrary to what they say I don't believe Adm Mullen or SECDEF Gates want it either.........we shall see what happens.......
 
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Ah, we used to love people like you. We could have them searching for hours for the bowling alley. Sorry Navy, but a carrier's space is mostly taken up by things related to either storage for supplies needed by 6k people, or by stuff for aircraft. I still slept in a coffin rack, still had no space, our shop was 10 x 8 feet, with the overhead sloped so you could only stand in half of it. The only thing all that size did for us is make getting from one end of the ship to the other take longer.

Redress I have been on every Carrier in the Fleet.......They have all been to PSNS for Overhaul......I have alloted the money for habitability for the officers and crew on these ships.......I have eaten in the Wardroom, the CPO and Crews mess......I have seen the Officers state rooms the Chiefs Quarters and the Crews living compartments...I have actually been in the berthing spaces of the females............

Living on a carrier and a destroyer is like night and day........I went out to sea for sea trials on the eisenhower and I did not even know we were underway........I sent email to my wife and children and talked to them on the phone and on web cams person to person.........You did not have these luxuries ona destroyer..On the destroyer I was on we ran out of milk and fresh vegetable after a week.......You always knew when you were underway...Sometimes it got so rough you could not get out of your rack........The only people that got up were the watch......We use to bounce around like a dixie cup.......e younger sailors were all getting sea sick and thought they were going to die...........When deployed we would get mail about twice a month.......I had a swap lined up to the USS LEXINGTON (CVT-16)...If I would have taken it I would of had my own stateroom as a E6.......There is no comparison..
I apologize to all you libs for getting off topic..........
 
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Correction: What it WAS like. You haven't seen active duty for two or three decades, isn't that right?

I worked for the Navy for 42 years and while working for NAVSEA as a civilian I went to sea on Aircraft Carriers.........Even now I talk to crew members a few days a week......I belong to 3 organizations of retired vets........I am tired of repeating the same thing over and over again......Please take some notes.....thanks
 
No offense, brother, but you're an officer. You don't know your boys as well as you think you do.
I did not want to say that but when I was in the Navy the men that worked for me rarely spoke to the division officer.........They talked to me........
 
I was subject to the draft and served my country, in a non-military role, but served my country none the less. My brother was on an aircraft carrier and my Dad was a tank Commander with the 13 Armored Division(do you know how cozy it was in one the WWII tanks?)

As I understand it, Redress served honorably. As did many others who have a different perspective on gays in the military than yourself. I'm not real sure what your problem is with gays in the military. Wouldn't any type of sexual misconduct result in diciplinary action, regardless of sexual orientation?

I really don't want to discuss this with you as a fellow Conservative because you are in the small minority who favors this.... ..........We are basically talking about DADT not misconduct......
 
Contrary to what they say I don't believe Adm Mullen or SECDEF Gates want it either.

So Mullen's a liar? You calling a Naval officer a liar?
 
I really don't want to discuss this with you as a fellow Conservative because you are in the small minority who favors this

That remains to be seen. Certainly, the military generals are significant players here. Just like earlier attempts to impose segregation in the military that were eventually phased out, so will this be phased out.

It is a positive sign of our evolution as a society.
 
So Mullen's a liar? You calling a Naval officer a liar?

A liar is a little rough, maybe just standing behind their boss.Have you never did anything in your life that maybe you did not agree with it but it was your boss's idea?

But I could call a Naval Officer a liar and have done so.........You lefties are doing it again though......Please remember this thread is not about me.............
 
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Catawba;1058537250]That remains to be seen. Certainly, the military generals are significant players here. Just like earlier attempts to impose segregation in the military that were eventually phased out, so will this be phased out.[/B]

It is a positive sign of our evolution as a society.

ROTFLMAO :rofl
 
.........You lefties are doing it again though......Please remember this thread is not about me.............

That's the point though Navy....YOU make it about YOU because you claim to be the spokesman for the Navy.

Maybe the Navy was what it was when you were there, but decades later, the military is much more tolerant of diversity than they were in your generation.
 
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