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Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

and I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth.

:shock:geez...

I'll just quote you then:

"Of course, you do realize that sodomy =/= HIV (just as sodomy =/= gay), right?"

And then ask you to further define that minus all the ranting insults and stuff.
 
#2 and most importantly you are assuming a genetic connection with homosexuality which has never been proven

Why do you lie?

Homosexual behavior due to genetics and environmental factors | Eureka! Science News

Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world's largest study of twins. Writing in the scientific journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers from Queen Mary's School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, and Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm report that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behaviour.

Dr Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, explains: "This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single 'gay gene' or a single environmental variable which could be used to 'select out' homosexuality - the factors which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.

BBC NEWS | Health | How homosexuality is 'inherited'

"It is clear that our findings, if confirmed by further research, are only one piece in a much larger puzzle on the nature of human sexuality," they said.

In 2002, the Nuffield Council on Bioethics produced a report into the possible link between genes and behaviour, which included sexual orientation.

It concluded: "There are numerous problems with genetic and other biological research into sexual orientation which mean that any reported findings must be viewed with caution."

It said many of the genetic studies were too small to draw definite conclusions from.

US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | guardian.co.uk

US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.

Such findings - including a highly anticipated study this winter - would further inform the debate over whether homosexuality is innate or a choice, an undercurrent of California's recent Proposition 8 campaign in which television commercials warned that "schools would begin teaching second-graders that boys could marry boys", suggesting homosexuality would then spread.

Some scientists say the political and moral debate over same-sex marriage frequently strayed from established scientific evidence, including comments by Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin that homosexuality is "a choice" and "a decision".

While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.

A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.


Sexual behavior is encouraged in part by one's genetic makeup. Sexual orientation however is dictated by biology. In other words, you can choose who you are going to sleep with. You can not choose who you are attracted to. Stating otherwise with the amount of information available and corroborating studies is simply dishonest.
 
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Rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of sex. Further, I have no idea how you see any relevance in what you just said.

I think the point he is making is attempted rapes do happen males on male aboard ship.........I testified at a court marital where and E4 tried to take advantage of and E2... He was so brazen that he took the E2 to th club, got him drunk and brought him back to the ship........The E2 passed out in his rack above the one the E4 was sleeping in.......Five minutes after taps sounded and the light were turned off in the berthing compartment the E4 reached up above him and under the blanket of the E2......He with his other hand began to masturbate....Myself and another E5 sleeping across from him jumped up and turned on the lights and went in the Head where we discussed the situation.....We decided to put the E4 on report.....He wrote him up and I witnessed it...We went back into the berthing compartment and informed the E4 he was on report....We then hit our racks.......The next morning the E4 got up and acted like nothing had happened.......

To make a long story short he was tried and convicted at a court martial and discharged with and undesireable discharge........He admitted during the court martial he was gay and had joined the Navy to be around men......

This guy was a good worker and I never expected that he was gay....I was totally shocked.......At his courtmartial he said he was so attracted to the E2 that he could not help himself.......

I saw incidents like this through out my Navy career.....
 
As I said earlier, this is far from a done deal......This will have to be voted on by the Senate and will take 60 votes to overturn this law............We shall see if it goes that far..........

I am sure anyone that saw the joint chiefs of staff at the speech.....There were not happy about Obama's decision on this subject.........
 
You are so full of crap. I said no such thing. Didn't even imply it.

Here's the exchange, for those who need their memories refreshed...







YOU are the one suggesting that we "kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males." I never even got close to that steaming pile of crap you're lobbing around.

You are a blatant and shameless liar, and



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I wasn't suggesting we do anything. I was asking you to complete your train of thought.

You said they should be willing to serve with a gay person, but a lot of them (grunts) might not be. In light of this fact, what do you propose we do? Just kick out the ones who aren't okay with gays? I mean, what else could you do?

I agree that you didn't claim what I said, and that I was lazy in my words, but I think you know what I meant. How would you solve this dilemma? Is there another option besides forcing them out of the military? I don't see one.
 
You said they should be willing to serve with a gay person, but a lot of them (grunts) might not be. In light of this fact, what do you propose we do? Just kick out the ones who aren't okay with gays? I mean, what else could you do?

What happens when a white soldier doesn't want to serve with black soldiers? Well there is your answer.
 
What happens when a white soldier doesn't want to serve with black soldiers? Well there is your answer.

Its not the same thing...I served with many black sailors aboard ship and had no problem with it.........
 
Its not the same thing...I served with many black sailors aboard ship and had no problem with it.........

There are no racists in the navy I take it? Seriously stop bringing up your service as a reference. Nobody gives a **** what a single person thinks. This is about policy and how the military as a whole will react.
 
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What happens when a white soldier doesn't want to serve with black soldiers? Well there is your answer.

I have never heard of that happening in the Navy.........
 
There are no racists in the navy I take it? Seriously stop bringing up your service as a reference. Nobody gives a **** what a single person thinks. This is about policy and how the military as a whole will react.

There are racists through our society so of course there are racists in the military......Every one that enlists in the military knows there will be people from other races there...

It is obvious you have never enlisted...........
 
I have never heard of that happening in the Navy.........

You've never heard of racism in the Navy?

Sailors Fight Navy Racism

On October 12, as the Kitty Hawk sailed toward North Vietnam, a Naval investigating officer was questioning crew members about a heated fight that had taken place the night before in Subic Bay in the Phillipines. The fight had resulted in the arrest of live blacks and lout whiles; the only sailors called in for questioning were black. Angry with this kind of discrimination, the blacks who had been questioned later gathered on the deck with other black crewmembers to rap about it, and, nervously overreacting, the brass called in a marine riot squad to break it up. Fights then broke out all over the ship involving over 100 white and black sailors. Twentyfive blacks- and no whites-were charged with "assault and rioting.''

Navy racism was highlighted by the mass resistance of sailors of the USS Constellation. The brass, under pressure to get rid of a number of the crew because of the overcrowded condition of the ship, was attempting nearly exclusively to discharge blacks. Challenging this, on November 3, 80 blacks gathered on deck demanding an audience with the Captain. When he refused to meet with them, other crewmembers joined them and they all staged a sit-down demonstration that lasted through the night and into the next day.
At one point, there were over 300 sailors, including whites, sitting in protest.

:Vocalo.org

These are some snippets from The Carrier - a PBS documentary that just came about about the lives of folks living on the USS Nimitz an aircraft carrier that went into the Gulf in 2004. This set is about a particular guys who is kicked out of the Navy for racism.

Now you have. :2wave:
 
There are no racists in the navy I take it? Seriously stop bringing up your service as a reference. Nobody gives a **** what a single person thinks. This is about policy and how the military as a whole will react.

Well I am a perfect example of how they will react and quit bringing up blacks every time a thread about gays comes up....it gets old and stale..Get some new material..........
 
There are gays through our society so of course there are gays in the military......Every one that enlists in the military knows there will be people from other sexualities there...

So Navy, now that we have stated that regardless of other sexualities within the military, people still decide to join. Do you not see how ridiculous your position is yet?
 
You've never heard of racism in the Navy?

Sailors Fight Navy Racism



:Vocalo.org



Now you have. :2wave:

Race relations are not perfect aboard ship as theye are not in society. but I think most blacks that re in like it and they advance themselves just like General Colin Powell did........

Try again..............
 
So Navy, now that we have stated that regardless of other sexualities within the military, people still decide to join. Do you not see how ridiculous your position is yet?

Not at all........as long as DADT is in effect people will still join..........I speak from experience you don't........
 
Well I am a perfect example of how they will react and quit bringing up blacks every time a thread about gays comes up....it gets old and stale..Get some new material..........

Navy, you can not be a perfect example of how racist people will react since you are not a racist yourself. It is sad that you can not see how illogical your positions. And I'll keep bringing it up because the only thing old and stale here is you and your positions really.
 
Navy, you can not be a perfect example of how racist people will react since you are not a racist yourself. It is sad that you can not see how illogical your positions. And I'll keep bringing it up because the only thing old and stale here is you and your positions really.

Most people that serve in the Navy are not racist....In fact a small percentage are..........They reflect society in general.........I served on 6 ships and never saw any problems with racism or any disciplinary problems..........No captains masts or court martial..........You really have a bad example here.....Why don't you quit while your only losing by a little bit..........
 
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Not at all........as long as DADT is in effect people will still join..........

And they will join when it is not. What exactly is your point?
 
Most people that serve in the Navy are not racist....In fact a small percentage are..........

And the majority of people aren't homophobic. In fact a small percentage are. You among them. What exactly is your point?
 
And they will join when it is not. What exactly is your point?

My point is as long as DADT is in effect the Navy has no problem with recruitment.......If they ever drop it there will be a mass exodus of senior petty officers and Chiefs..........
 
And the majority of people aren't homophobic. In fact a small percentage are. You among them. What exactly is your point?

If you are going to claim he is homophobic you better be able to prove it.

Lets see your evidence. Show us where he has said he is afraid of homosexuals.

Direct quotes.
 
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